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If you love the Lord with all your heart, mind, and soul, NO MATTER WHAT NAME YOU GIVE HIM, and love your neighbor as yourself, on what grounds will you be condemned?

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On 3/12/2019 at 10:00 PM, naominash said:

I don't think Father wants us to beat ourselves up either!

Only Jesus was meant to carry certain burdens. 

To present yourself a 'living sacrifice ' is very painful. We are not spared much if we are being conformed to His image.

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On ‎3‎/‎13‎/‎2019 at 3:43 AM, SelahSong said:

Matthew 24:23-27 King James Version (KJV)

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

 

2 Thessalonians 2 King James Version (KJV)

Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

. . .

Many will be deceived by the antichrist and will be condemned because they knew not the TRUE CHRIST.

-Selah:emot-heartbeat:

And one might say ,  but HOW can we know what Spirit we truly follow .    If any spirit , thought , teaching , speech or action , CONTRADICTS the walk of CHRIST or His teachings ,

RED ALERT , RED ALERT , its a wicked spirit and it allures to the flesh , the pride of life , lusts .   HEED IT NOT .

If any liberty a man brings , if any freedom a man brings ,  if any love a man brings , if any peace a man brings ,  if any knowledge or word of wisdom a man brings

CONTRADICTS one iota of GOD , THE SON , and every saying HE said ,   IT IS NOT FROM GOD , IT IS NOT FROM the SPIRIT .

For the SPIRIT does not contradict GOD nor the ONE who HE DID SEND ,    FOR THE FATHER WORD SPIRIT are ONE .

If any man uses liberty as an occasion to the flesh and says alas we are free , we are free,  THEY LIE and are in bondage .

IF any man brings a love yet it contradicts truth ,    THEY LIE and are in bondage .

FOR GOD is LOVE and HE IS TRUTH and I assure us all , HE CANNOT DENY HIMSELF .   THUS HIS LOVE cannot CONTRADICT HIS TRUTH .

I pray this sinks in and may all flee the rickwarren and the many who have brought a false seeker friendly gospel into the churches . Flee Rome and all who speak a lie . 

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1 hour ago, Betha said:

To present yourself a 'living sacrifice ' is very painful. We are not spared much if we are being conformed to His image.

This is true. But I don't think The Lord likes us beating ourselves for any other reason. 

 

For example

 

" I'm way too dumb. Why didn't God make me smarter"

Or 

"Why can't my hair look like hers. Cause I'm too dumb to figure my own hair out etc etc etc"

 

If it's for Jesus, no sacrifice is to great. That being said we should never punish ourselves for any other reason, in my opinion. 

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On 3/11/2019 at 12:46 AM, R. Hartono said:

I posted the above statement from  Johnthebaptist who wrote that in this forum.

If thats true why did Peter and John stated this :

Acts 4:12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other NAME under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved."
 

It's best not to jump to conclusions.. the phrase "no matter what name you give Him" is generic.. allowing it to be interpreted by any Christian to whom he addresses his post.

My interpretation is regarding the matter of using the Hebrew name "Yeshua".. or the Spanish name pronounced 'Hei-sous' (hei is one letter of the name YHVH) but still spelled 'Jesus'. In Greek it's "Iēsous". In old English Bibles it was " Iesu".

There is no other name, but the pronunciation is varied according to language and culture. The NAME means Salvation, for He is to save people from their sins.

The discussion board presumably has any number of believers who come from a background of other languages with English as their second.

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"If you love the Lord with all your heart, mind, and soul, NO MATTER WHAT NAME YOU GIVE HIM, and love your neighbor as yourself, on what grounds will you be condemned? "

Jhn 14:6  Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

Rom 6:23  For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Rom 10:9  because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Rom 10:10  For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.

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Stand ready and be on guard  .    For many are beginning more than ever to believe in this inclusivism type lies .

Remember what  jude said ,   TIME to stand and defend the faith against the wiles of inclusivism .  Let no man , woman or child , even begin

to head down this path , Not in thought , not in word and not in deed .   JESUS alone must be preached .  IF a man denies Him as The Christ and as the ONLY means

of salvation .  If they even hint at the possibility of inclusivism , correct them fast .  

IF they even begin to say things like ,   One does not have to confess him with mouth or in heart and still be saved , Do not believe it .

This inclusvism does start very small .    Heed not one iota of it .    Focus on the gospel , THE TRUE and ONLY GOSPEL

and that is , if a man believes In Christ as the only name whereby one can be saved ,  and does not deny Him , but CONFESSES him as LORD , as the ONLY WAY , THE CHRIST

and that no other way saves  amen . 

But if one teaches folks might not even say the name of Christ ,  or confess Him as Lord , yet they call him something else ,  THEY LIE , THIS IS A LIE .

And its end is the second death .   Them apostels knew genuine repentance and faith in CHRIST alone was the GOSPLE .

And we must more than ever be on alert and more than ever say JESUS IS the ONLY WAY and one must believe from the heart and Confess him with the mouth .

And yes in time , as the delusion gets worse , we will begin to really be hated for sticking to this .    OH WELL .   JESUS ONLY Saves and let us count the cost

with JOY no matter how vile and wicked we will be seen , even by many in the so called christain realm .   ONLY JESUS saves , SO ONLY JESUS saves GET PREACHED and NOTHING ELSE .

Now let me remind of what John said .  IF any man comes and brings NOT this doctrine ,  DONT even let them n your house

if they preach any kind of that inclusivism , ITS a FALSE GOSPLE , do not even eat with such a one .  THEY TROD JESUS UNDER FOOT .

And as paul said , Let none preach any other gospel .  Inclusivism is a FALSE gospel and it must not be heeded even once .

JESUS only saves and if a man confesses this not ,  if one believes not from the heart and confesses HIM ,  they will be damned , PEROID .

WE gotta buckle down twice fold and preach and point ONLY TO CHRIST .

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I have been a Christian for over 75 years and in all that time I have personally met only a few people who I could say were Christlike but one does stand out in my mind. He was a Hindu.

"When names are called for crowns in heaven, they will be the nameless hidden saints among us.  They may not be called Christians.  They just love God." ~~~ Billy Graham (Ottawa 1999)

 

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4 hours ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

Stand ready and be on guard  .    For many are beginning more than ever to believe in this inclusivism type lies .

As noted just now  .....   yes, beware the false gospel ...   many anti-christs where ?    ....  among .....

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2 hours ago, Takoda said:

I have been a Christian for over 75 years and in all that time I have personally met only a few people who I could say were Christlike but one does stand out in my mind. He was a Hindu.

"When names are called for crowns in heaven, they will be the nameless hidden saints among us.  They may not be called Christians.  They just love God." ~~~ Billy Graham (Ottawa 1999)

 

What a false  gospel .    What a false hope .   Every man woman , donkey or dog that let anyone feel saved in any other religion will answer to THE ONLY ONE who COULD save on the day of JUDGMENT .   budda and hindus can be as kind as they want and give ten trillion dollars to the poor , this goes for anyone ,    Oprah too ,

YET they DENY JESUS , HE WILL DENY THEM .   Takoda,     lets not sing that song .    THEY DONT LOVE GOD .

Want proof .     IF YE LOVED GOD , YE WOULD LOVE ME .    Exactly .     This inclusive lie that rome and many sing is straight from hell itself .   And if any

Lets folks believe they can follow any other religion or mindset ,  THEY lie to them and all the blood of all will be required at the hand of those who sung this sorry lie .

I pray ,  I beg and I plead , YOU don't believe that stuff .    Billy graham nor the pope nor any , IS GOD or CHRIST .   we follow CHRIST or we perish .  

I guess it will have to be me warning against this stuff ,    Sure I look like the hater  BUT I GOT MY LORD and HIS EVERY WORD is what I believe and will teach . 

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2 hours ago, simplejeff said:

As noted just now  .....   yes, beware the false gospel ...   many anti-christs where ?    ....  among .....

Even now their are many anti christs .      I don't think folks understand , WHEN CHRIST said THEY WILL COME IN MY NAME and DECIEVE .   HE MEANT IT .

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