enoob57 Posted May 13, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,193 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Online Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted May 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Still Alive said: as well as the parables preceding It is an account as the individuals are name or else it is a lie by the naming function used... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas t Posted May 13, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 46 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 944 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 170 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/05/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/20/1980 Author Share Posted May 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, Who me said: Is it a small thing to reject Gods laws, to live without any regard for God, or is it a large thing? yeah, it's sin. But my point is, if you just present the hell the "good" news stops being good. Jesus both healed the lame, the blind, and many more people and, later, he talked about hell. Some people here just present the hell; there's no balance. Thomas   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Alive Posted May 13, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,024 Content Per Day: 1.33 Reputation: 1,224 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted May 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, enoob57 said: This disagreement lies with the hermeneutic process of contextualizing …. Why not let God and His Word speak through the process? I agree. That is what the parables do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Alive Posted May 13, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,024 Content Per Day: 1.33 Reputation: 1,224 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted May 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, enoob57 said: It is an account as the individuals are name or else it is a lie by the naming function used... Lazarus simply means "the one that God helps". And no, there is no "rule" that if a person in a parable is "named", or he is called "a certain" that it is not a parable. Sometimes people mince words way too much. It's discussed in my tag line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted May 13, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,193 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Online Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted May 13, 2019 1 minute ago, thomas t said: yeah, it's sin. But my point is, if you just present the hell the "good" news stops being good. Jesus both healed the lame, the blind, and many more people and, later, he talked about hell. Some people here just present the hell; there's no balance. Thomas   Heb 10:30-31 30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. KJV The balance is always with Scripture.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas t Posted May 13, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 46 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 944 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 170 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/05/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/20/1980 Author Share Posted May 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, enoob57 said: The balance is always with Scripture.... when the devil came and brought scripture to Jesus, it wasn't balanced, in my opinion, see Matthew beginning chapter 4. So please, present the scriptures in a balanced way. Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted May 13, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,193 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Online Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted May 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Still Alive said: Lazarus simply means "the one that God helps". And no, there is no "rule" that if a person in a parable is "named", or he is called "a certain" that it is not a parable. Sometimes people mince words way too much. It's discussed in my tag line. You are arguing against a hermeneutic process which is designed to allow God to speak for Himself through His Word... Parables are always unspecific to determined specifics when a naming is used it has bypassed the unspecific and went to account of specific... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted May 13, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,193 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Online Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted May 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, thomas t said: when the devil came and brought scripture to Jesus, it wasn't balanced, in my opinion, see Matthew beginning chapter 4. So please, present the scriptures in a balanced way. Thomas The Scriptures are already presented and Christ used Scripture to show satan's use as twisted and of personal deployment... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Alive Posted May 13, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,024 Content Per Day: 1.33 Reputation: 1,224 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted May 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, enoob57 said: This disagreement lies with the hermeneutic process of contextualizing …. Why not let God and His Word speak through the process? I've been brief in my responses. There are very detailed discussions already available. No need to re-invent the wheel: https://wake-up.org/bible-characters/rich-man-lazarus.html https://www.tentmaker.org/articles/Lazarus-byHuie.htm https://nakedbiblepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/NB-189-Transcript.pdf  I simply do not believe the parable was told to give the slightest window into heaven and hell other than to point out who was blessed and who was not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Alive Posted May 13, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,024 Content Per Day: 1.33 Reputation: 1,224 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted May 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, enoob57 said: You are arguing against a hermeneutic process which is designed to allow God to speak for Himself through His Word... Parables are always unspecific to determined specifics when a naming is used it has bypassed the unspecific and went to account of specific... Sez who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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