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I absolutely agree with you about confession.

They gather so much information on their members, in a way they can.

I am not saying he is unrepentant. Who am I to say? I am saying I understand his doctrine. He means what he says. He unapologetically believes in unconditional security.

We are so far apart in what we are saying, it should be obvious what the differences are between OSAS and non-OSAS. As far as Butero and his site goes, there may be minor points where we differ, but I am worlds apart from this hypergrace message.

What you call repenting isn't sorrow for sin and turning from sin, but just believing. You say if he believes he goes to heaven. That is the point.

The problem is @Tzephanyahu, his doctrine really means you can have an unrepentant man living next door to a woman he raped and killed in heaven because he believes in Jesus.

The person in question does believe unrepentant rapists and murderers who believe in Jesus go to heaven and made a joke of those who disagree, and you consider me the weaker brother? There is something seriously wrong with a doctrine like that. What he said wasn't a mistake! He meant it.

I had internet issues. That was a despicable joke.

Making jokes about rape and murder shows a person isn't taking it serious. This also shows no understanding of the gospel. It makes light of that too. Yes, if a person truly repents and means it, God will forgive them. If you don't understand that, you don't understand the basics, but the notion that unrepentant murderers and rapists will live next door to their victims in heaven is disgusting, and that is the message that being conveyed.

Making jokes about rape and murder shows a person isn't taking it serious. This also shows no understanding of the gospel. It makes light of that too. Yes, if a person truly repents and means it, God will forgive them. If you don't understand that, you don't understand the basics, but the notion that unrepentant murderers and rapists will live next door to their victims in heaven is disgusting, and that is the message that being conveyed.

This shows such a lack of understanding of the message of the gospel, and insensitivity towards victims of violent crimes!

One of them is saying a Christian can commit rape and murder 1000 times a day without repenting and go to heaven. Now the same person is making a joke about violence towards women and murder while another person laughs at it. It is shameful and sad. I don't know how anyone believes anything they teach.

Jokes about rape and murder?

I don't know what you read that put your mind at ease, but I don't trust them.

According to my interpretation, you are not automatically covered. I should know my own interpretation.