missmuffet Posted May 18, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted May 18, 2019 6 hours ago, nickm727 said: What do you tell someone who asks you "Who created God?" ? I could only go to scripture that tells us that our God is a Jealous God. God was not created. God has existed before creation. God has always existed. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted May 18, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 952 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,573 Content Per Day: 5.03 Reputation: 9,054 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted May 18, 2019 7 hours ago, nickm727 said: What do you tell someone who asks you "Who created God?" ? I could only go to scripture that tells us that our God is a Jealous God. God is not a created being. God has no beginning nor any end. It is God that has created all that has been created, including the concept of time itself from an eternity of time before time to an eternity of time after time eternal to come. He is I AM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickm727 Posted May 18, 2019 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 46 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 27 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/17/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 18, 2019 6 hours ago, Who me said: As Gandalf has said, 'Who is asking? If an atheist/agnostic you could ask them who or what caused the big bang to happen and when they've finished spluttering point out that what ever has a begining also has a cause. The universe has a begining and must have something that caused it to begin. Then ask them what caused what ever caused the big bang to happen to exist and ditto into infinity or can they comprehend the idea of a supernatural being that exists outside of our universe and so no subject to its laws or to time that is God. I also told him that if we can clone than the probability of God existing to not is not debatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoda Posted May 19, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 137 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 52 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/11/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/27/1943 Share Posted May 19, 2019 12 hours ago, Who me said: The universe has a begining and must have something that caused it to begin. We envision a creator who was uncreated and has no beginning and yet we have no solid evidence that this is true. But we do have solid evidence of the reality of our physical universe. Why does the universe need a beginning? I see no compelling reason why not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickm727 Posted May 19, 2019 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 46 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 27 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/17/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 19, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Takoda said: We envision a creator who was uncreated and has no beginning and yet we have no solid evidence that this is true. But we do have solid evidence of the reality of our physical universe. Why does the universe need a beginning? I see no compelling reason why not. well what i always say to people who question me about God is that if we can clone an animal than the probability of a creator is more significant than that of not. It breaks down to the fact that God exist outside of time. That he is eternal. but the question will always linger in my mind and the fact of the matter is is that no one knows the answer. So.....i dont care what you say but you dont know and a christian should be prepared to answer that question. OUR GOD IS A JEALOUS GOD. Edited May 19, 2019 by nickm727 missed a word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted May 19, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.31 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted May 19, 2019 On 5/18/2019 at 3:53 AM, nickm727 said: What do you tell someone who asks you "Who created God?" ? I could only go to scripture that tells us that our God is a Jealous God. It would seem to me no one created God, because if someone created God, wouldn't that being be God? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoda Posted May 19, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 137 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 52 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/11/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/27/1943 Share Posted May 19, 2019 19 hours ago, nickm727 said: OUR GOD IS A JEALOUS GOD. I have always thought it very strange that we accept as characteristic of God that which we find as a failing or even an evil in mankind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted May 19, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,646 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,832 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted May 19, 2019 There are several indicators in physics. Take the two laws of thermodynamics for example. 1. The law of conservation. We live in a closed system. A close universe. Nothing can be added, nothing taken away. 2. The law of maximum entropy. All tends from order to disorder. All tends to cool down from hot to cold. 1. From nothing nothing comes, so the universe must be eternal. Right? 2. Wrong. The universe would be totally disordered and cold if it was eternal. So how did it all come into being and be so ordered? Some ONE is in fact eternal AND capable of transcending the laws of physics in his being and his ability to create or annihilate anything including the universe itself. For those who try to limit God to the physics of beginning, middle, and end... they should consider what even atheists concede to: For the universe to even exist something (someone) had to be eternal... which is existence without beginning or end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted May 19, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,646 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,832 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted May 19, 2019 My question to God will be: With all the pain and trouble creation caused him (and the creation) why bother creating? Love? Three equal individuals in the one God had perfect and unique and sole existence. Perfect communication. Etc. God is love so all three are love. I mean, I am glad he created us, but I just can't get my head around why... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
childoftheking Posted May 19, 2019 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 6 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 842 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 111 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/24/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 19, 2019 (edited) Show them Colossians 1: and Revelation: God = First and Last, Alpha and Omega, Beginning and the End, He is the Creator of ALL THINGS!! If God is the First, then He has always existed!! That is rather clear there was nothing before God!! Edited May 19, 2019 by childoftheking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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