Justin Adams Posted July 11, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,605 Content Per Day: 3.97 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted July 11, 2019 46 minutes ago, JLB said: Completely False, and is directly against the scriptures. Now when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him. Very early in the morning, on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen. And they said among themselves, “Who will roll away the stone from the door of the tomb for us?” But when they looked up, they saw that the stone had been rolled away—for it was very large. And entering the tomb, they saw a young man clothed in a long white robe sitting on the right side; and they were alarmed. But he said to them, “Do not be alarmed. You seek Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He is risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid Him. But go, tell His disciples—and Peter—that He is going before you into Galilee; there you will see Him, as He said to you.” So they went out quickly and fled from the tomb, for they trembled and were amazed. And they said nothing to anyone, for they were afraid. Now when He rose early on the first day of the week, He appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom He had cast seven demons. Mark 16:1-9 Now when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him. Very early in the morning, on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen. Now when He rose early on the first day of the week Jesus was crucified on the Passover, as the Passover Lamb, on the Day before the Sabbath. He rose on the third day, after the Sabbath, as the first fruits offering, on the first day of the week, after the Sabbath. JLB Really, really incorrect I am afraid. You must study the Tanach and the more accurate translations of the New Testament scriptures. The RCC and pagan forerunners hated all things Israeli so at every opportunity to promote SUN-day they did. 'Good Friday thru Sunday morning' does not a 72 hour spread make. You'll hear all kinds of falsehoods to proclaim why this is true. They are ALL false. Please study some more before you rely on (churchy) statements. Look up Mia Ton Sabaton and read Young's Literal in this regard. The church has been misled. Yeshua was 72 hours in the tomb from Wednesday eve Nisan 15 to Saturday eve Nisan 18 as the first fruit sheaves were about to be gathered by the priestly workers. Yeshua was already up and about before the women came to the tomb while it was still dark as the first day began. It was probably AD 31- or 32 depending on the calendar effects. It all fits sublimely. Just like the movement to abandon the Sabbath, there are many falsehoods like this. You will hear countless stories and doctrines as to why this and that are 'abandoned' or changed. They are very, very wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLB Posted July 11, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 727 Content Per Day: 0.41 Reputation: 137 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/18/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/16/1959 Share Posted July 11, 2019 57 minutes ago, Justin Adams said: Really, really incorrect I am afraid. You must study the Tanach and the more accurate translations of the New Testament scriptures. The RCC and pagan forerunners hated all things Israeli so at every opportunity to promote SUN-day they did. 'Good Friday thru Sunday morning' does not a 72 hour spread make. You'll hear all kinds of falsehoods to proclaim why this is true. They are ALL false. Please study some more before you rely on (churchy) statements. Look up Mia Ton Sabaton and read Young's Literal in this regard. The church has been misled. Yeshua was 72 hours in the tomb from Wednesday eve Nisan 15 to Saturday eve Nisan 18 as the first fruit sheaves were about to be gathered by the priestly workers. Yeshua was already up and about before the women came to the tomb while it was still dark as the first day began. It was probably AD 31- or 32 depending on the calendar effects. It all fits sublimely. Just like the movement to abandon the Sabbath, there are many falsehoods like this. You will hear countless stories and doctrines as to why this and that are 'abandoned' or changed. They are very, very wrong. More opinion with no scripture. It is clear who is promoting the truth. Please stop teaching God’s precious children false doctrine. Please. JLB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLB Posted July 12, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 727 Content Per Day: 0.41 Reputation: 137 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/18/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/16/1959 Share Posted July 12, 2019 13 hours ago, Betha said: So where are your 3 days and 3 nights....each consisting of 12 biblical hours...6x12 ! nor can you count in the day on which Yashua was crucified and placed in the tomb. This is cutting your time-line even shorter. Do you know anything about GOD's Holy Days also called Sabbaths and each with their own preparation day ? IF YOU DID you would know Yashua was not killed the day before the weekly Sabbath. Also He was already RISEN/RESURRECTED on sunday morning and had left the tomb....as the angel said 'He is risen and not here. There are a few other points also to consider.....however i will not argue with you , you may believe what you will. Jesus was crucified on the Passover: The Passover Lamb The Passover was the day before the Sabbath. He was raised from the dead on the feast of first fruits: A first fruits offering to God. The feast of first fruits is the day after the Sabbath. He rose on the third day. JLB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLB Posted July 12, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 727 Content Per Day: 0.41 Reputation: 137 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/18/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/16/1959 Share Posted July 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, Betha said: OK friend, let's take this step by step....true, yashua was crucified on the preparation day of Passover and the next day was a Sabbath but NOT the weekly Sabbath - that Sabbath was a High Day (annual) also called Sabbath Joh 19v14, 31. So your teaching us that Jesus was not the first fruit offering from the dead? The Bible teaches us Jesus is the first fruits offering, which comes after the Sabbath. But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 1 Corinthians 15:20-23 The first fruits offering comes after the Passover, after the Sabbath on the first day of the week. JLB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted July 12, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,605 Content Per Day: 3.97 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted July 12, 2019 47 minutes ago, Betha said: As far as His ASCENSION, yes He ascended to His Father on sunday as the FIRSTFRUIT and seen by MANY - but that is a different event from the Resurrection from the dead NOT witnessed by anyone. When it comes to FAITH we are not to look for or count on human evidence as proof, ONLY to the Word of God Heb 11v1. Yes. There is a reason at first when Yeshua said 'do not touch me or cling to me for I am not yet Glorified'. Later there was no such injunction. He had to present Himself to the Father first and to be seen in the Throne Room among all the spirits and holy ones as the Lamb that was Slain, but now lives and therefore puts ALL principalities and Powers under His feet. It was Redemption's Witness to the whole creation, Spiritual and Human. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Daze Posted July 12, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,011 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 2,519 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/17/2014 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 12, 2019 16 hours ago, Betha said: it's not a case of trying to convince anyone but 'to get at the TRUTH. Because when we worship God 'it must be IN TRUTH....or we completely waste our time. And not only that - we must also worship ONLY the TRUE God and not one of the many FALSE christs that plague christianity Mat 24. We worship God in spirit and truth by acting on the teachings of Jesus. It's a lifestyle of obedience dedicated to knowing and doing the will of God. Day after day. Every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted July 12, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,605 Content Per Day: 3.97 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted July 12, 2019 On 7/11/2019 at 2:09 PM, Last Daze said: One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. Romans 14:5 It doesn't say that each person must try to convince the others. I think this is referring to the many days the many pagans were observing and trying to influence early Christian with. It is NOT talking about God's Sabbath OR the resurrection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted July 12, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,605 Content Per Day: 3.97 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted July 12, 2019 (edited) Was the RESURRECTION on SUNday Morning? By Rabbi Edward “Levi” Nydle-Revised 8--03 “Now after the Sabbath, toward the dawn on the first day of the week, Miryam from Magdala and the other Miryam came to see the tomb.” Mattithyahu 28:1 The Scriptures “Now late on Sabbath, as it was getting dusk toward (the) first (day) of (the) week, came Mary the Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulcher” Matt.28: 1 Interlinear Greek-English NT On “Easter”-Ishtar morning millions of “Xtians” will be celebrating at SUNrise services commemorating the resurrection of their “Christ Jesus”. But did Yahshua, the Jewish Messiah really rise from the dead on SUNday morning as has been taught by the “kirche”. Let us examine the Scriptures from a Hebrew perspective and find out the truth amid all this deception. First, let us say that Yahshua was NOT impaled on Good Friday as taught by the Roman system. Yahshua was impaled on the stake on Wednesday morning at 9:00a.m. He gave up His spirit into the hands of the Father at 3:00 p.m. If the Last Supper was on Tuesday evening, then on Wednesday when the Passover lambs were being slaughtered, Yahshua was killed on the stake. By the time the Jews were sitting at their Seder on Wednesday evening, Yahshua was in the tomb. For three whole days and nights He would remain in the tomb. This was THE SIGN OF Yonah that Yahshua spoke of in Matt.12: 38-40, Yonah 1:17. · 17 But YHWH appointed a great fish to swallow Yonah. And Yonah was in the stomach of the fish three days and three nights. Yonah 1:17 · 3 9But He answering, said to them, “A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet Yonah. 40 “For as Yonah was three days and three nights in the stomach of the great fish, so shall the Son of Adam be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.Matt.12:39-40 Yahshua was laid in the tomb just prior to sunset Wednesday (Passover).If one can count to three, and then we arrive at a resurrection just at the END of the weekly Shabbat or Saturday evening at twilight. This was the exact time the wave sheaf was being cut or the FIRSTFRUIT OFFERING TO YAHWEH THAT YEAR! Lev.23: 10. Rav Shaul said the Messiah has become the FIRSTFRUITS of those who have fallen asleep in 1Cor.15: 20. In his book “The Life and Times of J-sus the Messiah” Alfred Edersheim (a Messianic Jew) tells us that the Passover wave sheaf was reaped the evening before it was offered .On Abib 14 the sheaf was already marked out and tied together in a bundle, still standing. Then ON the HIGH SHABBAT, just as the sun went down, three men, set to work cutting the sheaf. It can easily be long after sundown (especially on a full moon) when Shabbat actually begins and three stars are seen. Also, since this is a priesthood function, it is legal to perform it on Shabbat. But, some protest that the Scriptures say it was at dawn on the first day of the week! This is a mistranslation of the verse involved. The KEY is the Greek word: epiphosko #2020 in Strongs meaning “to grow light, to dawn, to draw on.” This would seem to indicate a SUNday morning resurrection. This word is also used in Luke 23:54 and is translated “drew near”. · Now after the Sabbath, toward dawn on the first day of the week1 1, Miryam from Magdala and the other Miryam came to see the tomb.Matt.28:1 · 54 And it was Preparation day, and the Sabbath was approaching. Luke 23:54 · G2020 epiphosko ep-ee-foce'-ko A form of G2017; to begin to grow light: - begin to dawn, draw on. 1 First Day of the week: The underlying Greek text is “mia ton sabbaton”, which when literally translated means “one of the sabbath/s”, but is traditionally rendered as “first day of the week.” The term “first day of the week” is literally translated as “proté hemera tis hebdomata” in Greek, but nowhere appears as such in the N.T. There is a strong argument that “mia ton sabbaton” should be rendered according to Semitic idiom as “day one of the week”, and we have decided to retain the traditional rendering as “first day of the week”, in Scripture passages such as Mt. 28:1, Lk. 24:1, Yn. 20:1 etc., unless further light to the contrary is forthcoming., Since Shabbat begins at SUNDOWN, it is IMPOSSIBLE for anyone to say this word in this verse means, “to dawn”. No, jut as Shabbat drew near in Luke 23:54 so the first day of the week drew near in Matt.28: 1 or it was Saturday evening! Let us get a second witness to this truth! Look in Yochanan (John) 20:1,” · ‘On the first day (the added word by the translators) of the week, Mary Magdalene came to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb.” This was NOT SUNday morning, as it was still dark. The sun had already set and it was in the beginning hours of the new day and the new week, probably around 8 P.M. Yahshua was already raised from the grave and it was Saturday night! SUMMARY: If we are diligent students of the Scriptures we can see through all the lies and deceptions that the Roman system has propagated for all these centuries and the daughters have accepted as truth. They have robbed Yahshua of the ONE SIGN that He said proved He was the Messiah of Yisrael! We as Messianic Yisrael do not need a substitute called “Easter-Ishtar/Ashtarte” to understand the TRUTH of the resurrection of our Messiah Yahshua from the tomb. Yahweh has given all the types, symbols, and shadows of Messiah in the Torah for us as Yisrael to be pointed to Yahshua as the Messiah. Yahshua is the goal of the Torah! The 'modern church' seems to want to argue tooth and nail for RCC and earlier DOCTORING of the biblical texts. It is so amazing how they flog this dead horse in the light of scholarship and much learning. Sadly they cling to some vestige of old established pagan inflections without recourse to intelligent observations. So it is with His Sabbath, they teach us to ignore it in favor of their doctrinal double-speak. Edited July 12, 2019 by Justin Adams 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLB Posted July 12, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 727 Content Per Day: 0.41 Reputation: 137 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/18/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/16/1959 Share Posted July 12, 2019 16 minutes ago, Justin Adams said: I think this is referring to the many days the many pagans were observing and trying to influence early Christian with. It is NOT talking about God's Sabbath OR the resurrection. Is the Sabbath a day? JLB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Daze Posted July 12, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,011 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 2,519 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/17/2014 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, Justin Adams said: I think this is referring to the many days the many pagans were observing and trying to influence early Christian with. It is NOT talking about God's Sabbath OR the resurrection. Possibly, but it fits in nicely with: Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day—things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. Colossians 2:16-17 It's kind of like when my daughter decided to become vegan. I told her that I don't have any problem with that, unless it becomes her righteousness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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