Timing of the two witnesses, by working backwards

[douggg]

6 hours ago, The Light said:

Why would you need to make sense out of what we know is fact.

Rev 12

¹¹ And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

This is fact. This is an absolute reference point. You are rejecting absolute fact and truth because you are misunderstanding other scriptures.

No, your interpretation of that verse is not the fact you say it is.  

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. (till what?)

From the time the two things of  (1) the daily sacrifice taken away (2) the abomination of desolation set up - there are 1290 days to something.

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It does not make sense that the daily sacrifice is taken away - then 1290 days later the temple is made desolate.    Taking away of of the daily sacrifice (being part of the worship of God) means that worship of God has stopped... making the temple desolate right then.

The stoppage of the daily sacrifice and the abomination of desolation setup are close together, not separated by 1290 days.

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[The Light]

9 hours ago, douggg said:

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No, your interpretation of that verse is not the fact you say it is.

The verse speaks for itself. It does not need interpretation. 

Just like this verse

Matt 14

²⁵ And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea.

The verse speaks for itself. Now, you can choose not to accept what it says because it does not make sense to you that Jesus can walk on water, but that does not change the facts.

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Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. (till what?)

 

Till what? Till the Abomination of Desolation is set up. There is no mystery here. The verse speaks for itself. The only real mystery is that you don't understand how it could be, because you incorrectly think that Matt 24 is when Jesus returns to set up his kingdom when the verses of Matt 24 clearly tell a different story.

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From the time the two things of  (1) the daily sacrifice taken away (2) the abomination of desolation set up - there are 1290 days to something.

From the time the birthday party begins and the candles are blown out, there shall be 12 hours and 30 minutes. This speaks for itself. We don't have to come to any incorrect conclusions. Just read what it says.

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It does not make sense that the daily sacrifice is taken away - then 1290 days later the temple is made desolate. 

How can it not make sense? That's what the verses clearly say. It's your last days timeline that is not making sense. The scripture is perfectly clear.
 

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Taking away of of the daily sacrifice (being part of the worship of God) means that worship of God has stopped... making the temple desolate right then.

 

What leads you to this incorrect conclusion? The Temple is not made desolate UNTIL the Abomination of Desolation is set up. That occurs 1290 days after the daily sacrifice is taken away.

 

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The stoppage of the daily sacrifice and the abomination of desolation setup are close together, not separated by 1290 days.

The scripture says differently. Instead of using an ABSOLUTE CONCRETE POINT IN TIME to understand the end times timeline you have chosen to ignore this ABSOLUTE BIBLICAL FACT. It's because you don't understand that the WRATH OF GOD is not part of the TRIBULATION. The Tribulation is over before the 1000 year DAY OF THE LORD begins.

 

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[douggg]

1 hour ago, The Light said:

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The stoppage of the daily sacrifice and the abomination of desolation setup are close together, not separated by 1290 days.

The scripture says differently. Instead of using an ABSOLUTE CONCRETE POINT IN TIME to understand the end times timeline you have chosen to ignore this ABSOLUTE BIBLICAL FACT. It's because you don't understand that the WRATH OF GOD is not part of the TRIBULATION. The end of the age is over before the 1000 year DAY OF THE LORD begins.

You are making an interpretation but have come to the wrong conclusions, and are calling your conclusions facts.   

The 1335 days and the 1290 days both have to do with Jesus's return.   

The stoppage of the sacrifices and the AoD setup, go hand in hand, 1335 days before Jesus's return.    

The 1290 days are from that day that the Aod is setup to the sixth seal, the heavens parting, and the revealing of Jesus in great power and glory.

It corresponds to the sequence of Matthew 24:29-30.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:  (the sixth seal event)

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven (the world sees Jesus before the throne of God): and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and (45 days later Jesus descends to earth) they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

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stoppage of the sacrifices and AoD setup is determined by  subtracting 1335 days from day 2520 (the last day of the 7 years) = setup on day 1185

from day 1185 there are 1290 days to the sixth seal event highlighted in yellow above.     Terrified, the kings of the earth gather their armies at Armageddon to fight against Jesus, Psalms 2, why do the heather rage and imagine a vain thing?

At the end of the 45 days, on day 2520, Jesus descends to earth, coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory, and destroys the kings and their armies.

 

 

 

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[douggg]

1 hour ago, The Light said:

What leads you to this incorrect conclusion? The Temple is not made desolate UNTIL the Abomination of Desolation is set up. That occurs 1290 days after the daily sacrifice is taken away.

You are misunderstanding the verse to mean that there are 1290 days between the stoppage of the daily sacrifice and the AoD setup.    

But the 1335 days contains the 1290 days (plus 45 days) is what it is really saying.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

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sacrifices stopped, Aod setup, then 1290 days to the 45 days period

The 45 days period is the time allocated to the kings of earth to assemble their armies at Armageddon.

At the end of the 45 days, Jesus descends to earth and destroys them.

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[douggg]

22 minutes ago, Abdicate said:

There is no word for "day" in the passage in Hebrew. It is ערב בקר meaning "evening morning" the same words from Genesis 1:5, therfore an evening and a morning sacrifice, not day.

It would still be 2300 of the set.    A day has an evening and a morning.

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[Dennis1209]

Why work backwards? It's easy to see and most scholars concur Revelation is written in chronological order, with parenthetical chapters inserted for additional information and clarification. 

[douggg]

6 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

Why work backwards? It's easy to see and most scholars concur Revelation is written in chronological order, with parenthetical chapters inserted for additional information and clarification. 

Because working backwards is part of the timeline building process.     In this case, the certain fixed end is Jesus's return, His Second Coming.

The 2300 days, and the 1335 days - their beginnings are also determined by working back from Jesus's return, His Second Coming.

Day 2520 - 2300 days = day 220 the daily sacrifice begins again.

Day 2520 - 1335 days = day 1185 the daily sacrfice will have been stopped and the AoD setup to be worshiped.

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[douggg]

8 hours ago, Abdicate said:

See this is where your graphical information is using altered wording which only leads to false assumption. Rev 13:3 includes the word ως which means "as, like, seem" meaning the wounded head appeared

 

Revelation 13:3
One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast. 

 

Are we not in the death throws of "fake" everything these days? Just remember:

 

2 Thessalonians 2:9
The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, 

 

If you have to alter any word or leave out any verse to "prove" a theory, then it's a lie.

That the person is killed and comes back to life, indicated by the mortally wounded but healed head, is verified by Revelation 17:8b, the expression the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

And in Revelation 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

In Ezekiel 28:1-10, God has the person killed for sitting in the temple, showing (claiming to) the world that he has achieved God-hood.   

In Isaiah 14:18-20, in disdain for the person, God brings the person back to life, kicking his soul out of hell.

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9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

 

The lie is when the person goes into the temple, sits, claims to have achieved God-hood.

The strong delusion is that God is actually, as God has him killed for the audacious act, God is the one who brings him back to life.

Once brought back to life as the beast, his reign of full of lying wonders, by himself, Satan, the false prophet.   Such as the image made of him (appears to) comes to life and speaks.     A seemingly miracle by the false prophet, in the presence of the beast, but the reason is that the image will incarnated by Satan.

 

 

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[douggg]

14 hours ago, Abdicate said:

2300 sacrifices, two for each day as the word of God requires, making 1150 days. The choice for the wording corresponds to the verses before it regarding the sacrifices of which there will be 2300.

Please look at my latest chart below in my  following post.

 

It is 2300 (morning and evenings, the daily sacrifice), not 1150 mornings and 1150 evenings.

In Daniel 12:11-12, the daily sacrifice stopped and the 1335 days containing the 1290 days (plus 45) days fit within the 2300 days.   

2300 days til Jesus returns to cleanse the temple of the beast, the false prophet, the AoD statue image (incarnated by Satan)

2300 days..............................................................................................Jesus's return

At an unknown day within the 2300 days, the daily sacrifice will be stopped, and the transgression of desolation act of Daniel 8:12-13 (of 2Thessalonians2:4) then takes place - of the Antichrist committing it, revealing himself as the man of sin.

the revealed man of sin killed, Ezekiel 28:1-10.   His soul goes to hell.

God kicks his soul out of hell.   The person comes back to life.   As the beast.   Isaiah 14:19-20, Revelation 13:3,  Revelation 17:8b

The false prophet has the image made of the beast, and it is placed in the temple.   The abomination of desolation.  Beginning the 1335 day countdown.

1335 days (1290 days + 45 days).............................................................Jesus's return

The 1335 day great tribulation contains the trumpet and bowl judgements.

At the very end of the great tribulation, the sixth seal event takes place, the Sign of the Son of man in heaven.

45 days..................................................................................................... Jesus's return.

During the 45 days, the kings of the earth gather their armies at Armageddon to make war on Jesus.

Jesus returns, at the end of the 2300 days, the 1335 days (1290days +45 days), the 45 days.   To destroy the armies.  To cleanse the temple of the things making it desolate - the beast and false prophet cast alive into the lake of fire.   Jesus brings the AoD statue image to ashes (exposing Satan)*.      Satan cast into the bottomless pit.

 

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Ezekiel 28:16 God declares He is going to destroy Satan

Ezekiel 28:17 Satan cast down to the ground - Revelation 12:7-9 from the second heaven.   Time, times, half time left.

Ezekiel 28:17 God says He is then going to expose him before kings.

Ezekiel 28:18  God says he is going to bring a fire in the midst of Satan.    The AoD statue image, burnt up by Jesus.

Ezekiel  28:18  God says he is going to bring Satan to ashes.    The AoD statue image, that people will have worshiped.

Ezekiel 28:18  God says in plain sight.    To happen on the temple mount, surrounded by the kings of the earth and their armies, as they will be dismayed.

Ezekiel 28:19 God says all that know him will be astonished.     They know him as the god, the statue idol, they have been worshiping.     They will be shocked when Satan is exposed - in plain sight. 

Ezekiel 28:19 God says to be a terror no more.    Satan's rule as king over Babylon the Great, his mystery kingdom of violence and terror, over.     Satan cast into the bottomless pit.    His kingdom of Babylon the Great to never be again.

 

Edited August 10, 2019 by douggg

[douggg]