Should Christian keep the Sabbath? And what day we should keep the Sabbath?

[Guest]

2 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

i'm not trying to ruin your Sabbath,

Just sharing a link how the Jews spend their Sabbath :

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/95907/jewish/The-Shabbat-Laws.htm

That doesn't affect me at all. That is ridiculous to me. 

Abstaining from normal work is all Sabbath means to me. A day to relax, take things easy in comparison to the rest of the week. A sensible rest. Not a load of rules and regs as Jews do. That's up to them. 

[Justin Adams]

Just for the record, the resurrection was on the eve of the Sabbath. The Lord's True day, set apart from all the others. Yes, He was 72 hours dead, just as he said ("The sign of Jonah").
Nisan 14-17 ad 31 or 32 depending on the calendar you use are the Passover dates that year. 

If someone wants to honor the Sabbath in any which way they choose, it is far better than the detractors that may wish to scorn that effort. If you are God's servant (no matter how weak or faltering) then no one else should judge you or try to make it difficult for you by posting Judaizer things against you keeping and observing the Sabbath to the Lord God. How you do this is YOUR business. You are not telling others to do it, you are just encouraging them to find out for themselves.

The fact is that the church, in keeping with the early pagan and later RCC doctrines, decided that the Sabbath was to be abolished/"moved". They really needed to study the Tanach really well, and the errors (deliberate) in the translations (yes even in the NT) that would have you believe wrongly.
If you do not study history you will repeat it. Early believers had a ton of stuff to deal with, especially when Sabbath worship was banned... they often forfeited family and possessions and went to prison.

There is a marked change in the Israeli religious philosophy too around AD 200. Before the crucifixion, it supported the "two Yahwehs" of the Tanach era (of which there is much textural evidence). After the resurrection, they changed their tune. They even tried to "modify" the Tanach to remove the idea of Yeshua. They even invented disparaging names for this as well. Fortunately, the Qumran scholars kept  a good record of a lot of these writing so they were not 'edited' out of existence.

There is so much textural evidence for the true Passover (not Ishtar) that it boggles the mind on why nobody wants to see it for what it is. To them is is a pagan time of bunnies and eggs. (Semiramis-Queen of heaven etc.)

 

[Justin Adams]

On 8/10/2019 at 4:17 AM, Jostler said:

there has been a lot of confusion introduced by western commentators who forget that God's day begins at Sundown....not midnight  or dawn as we now mark it.

the first day of the  week begins on Saturday  night after sundown from our reckoning.   taking that into account gives the best rendering of the  above an understanding of a meal held after sundown on Saturday, after the Sabbath had closed and cooking and regular work was again allowed. 

When God's way of reckoning days is accounted for and the  Hebrew calendar is the one in view (instead of the  Gregorian system we're used to) it's really, really hard to defend ANY assertion that the  New Covenant changed anything about  appropriate days of the week to do anything.

Young's Literal got me studying. Mia Ton Sabbaton is mistranslated and it says 'on the first day', but the true translation as it says in other places in context 'one of the sabbaths'.

Then I read about the Passover that week and it all came together. AD 31 or 32 works just right. Nisan 14 to 17. Exactly 72 hours.

QUOTE:

"Mia ton sabbaton" is not translated with the meaning of "first day of the week" in early literature
Volume 35 of the Word Bible Commentary says that "the first day of the week" literally means "one of the Sabbaths" in the Greek. The second page of this study lists a number of other resources that admit that the original Greek meant sabbath.

Conclusion
When translating idioms, the meaning must be conveyed not by a literal word-for-word translation but by a translation of the meaning of the idiom in the original language to the same meaning in the new language. If, in the original language, the phrase in question meant "first day of the week" then, in the Greek that it was translated into, the words (or close synonyms) for "first" (protos), "day" (hemera) and "week" (hebdomas) would have to have been used. If they were not, any Greek-speaking reader who did not know the original language or its idioms would misunderstand the meaning.

There seems to be a lack of evidence for the idea that "mia ton sabbaton" was an idiom designating the first day of the week. Part 2 of this study gives further documentation of this lack. Also, there is so much other evidence presented in the book and on this website that points to the resurrection having been on the seventh-day Sabbath which would be consistent with the literal meaning of "mia ton sabbaton."

https://www.jesus-resurrection.info/idioms-meaning.html

Edited August 13, 2019 by Justin Adams

[GandalfTheWise]

29 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

There seems to be a lack of evidence for the idea that "mia ton sabbaton" was an idiom designating the first day of the week.

The Didache (8:1) uses the phrase deutera sabbaton to refer to the second day of the week.   The Septuagint at times uses the phrase sabbata sabbaton to refer to the 7th day of the week.   Using a number with sabbaton does appear to be a way of referring to a particular day in a week.  It appears to be a Hebraic usage in Greek.  

In addition, Acts 20:7 uses mia ton sabbaton to describe a day in which Paul was speaking in Troas just before he was ready to leave.  Given that verse 6 refers to this being after the passover and that at least a week or so has passed, it is unlikely this is a special holiday but rather a routine meeting of the disciples.

The Greek word is transliterated from Hebrew and primarily refers to either the 7th day of the week or a week.   The phrase mia ton sabbaton could refer to one of two sabbaths in the same holiday period but it does appear to be used as an idiom for the first day of the week.