Retrobyter Posted October 6, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 9 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,596 Content Per Day: 1.07 Reputation: 2,446 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/28/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/28/1957 Share Posted October 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, Uriah said: Hi Retro Hopefully in the next few days I can provide some scriptural comparison for you when I can squeeze in some OCR formatting. As to the two material sources you posted, it is clear that there is no documented event where anyone saw anything set up in the Holy Place. Eusebius merely inserts his take on things a few hundred years after the alleged fulfillment which he is known to do. Shalom, Uriah. Well, it didn't have to be a thing "set up" in the Holy Place. The wording is... Matthew 24:15-16 (KJV) 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Mark 13:14 (KJV) 14But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains: And, the Gospel as presented by Lukas (Luke) only mentions the armies: Luke 21:20-21a (KJV) 20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed (surrounded) with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; ... Remember: An "abomination" is anything that (or anyone who) is detestable and disgusting. It MAY refer to an idol, but it isn't REQUIRED to be an idol. And regarding Eusebius, who's the judge in that?! How do we know that he is "known to" "insert his take on things?" He may very well do just that, and one may SUSPECT that he "inserted his take on things," but one cannot know for certain because NO ONE ALIVE TODAY WAS THERE! Be careful in your prejudices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uriah Posted October 11, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,364 Content Per Day: 0.58 Reputation: 277 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) On 10/6/2019 at 5:41 PM, Retrobyter said: Well, it didn't have to be a thing "set up" in the Holy Place. The wording is... Matthew 24:15-16 (KJV) 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Mark 13:14 (KJV) 14But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains: And, the Gospel as presented by Lukas (Luke) only mentions the armies: Luke 21:20-21a (KJV) 20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed (surrounded) with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; ... Remember: An "abomination" is anything that (or anyone who) is detestable and disgusting. It MAY refer to an idol, but it isn't REQUIRED to be an idol. And regarding Eusebius, who's the judge in that?! How do we know that he is "known to" "insert his take on things?" He may very well do just that, and one may SUSPECT that he "inserted his take on things," but one cannot know for certain because NO ONE ALIVE TODAY WAS THERE! Be careful in your prejudices. Hi Retro Sorry for the delay. Been working on restoring my website. So instead of the OCR and supplemental work I am providing the relevant source in picture form, making it a bit clunky. But I am glad you added the remark about Luke. As for Eusebius, HE WAS NOT THERE EITHER! He isn't flawless and there those who see him as doing a great job on his own era, but in other regards may be like one of us, writing to the best of his understanding...yet he garners more credit naturally from doing so early on. I think the audience Jesus was speaking to would have certainly understood His statement for the Holy Place with no trouble and wouldn't require their lexicon to look it up. The same would be true for the abomination, seeing they had been asking about the temple etc. (Pic quality not so good, may try again soon) Edited October 11, 2019 by Uriah order Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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