missmuffet Posted August 17, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.80 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted August 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Evgen said: I claim nothing. Just told my opinion, as you do yours. Or common. No point in posting... Isn't it a Discussion Forum? Well, maybe "created" is a wrong word. What about populated, actively participated, joined condemned demons, inhabited forever, die forever in, &c., &c. Better? IMHO, GOD didn't create hell. He just directed evil from off the Light. Then who created hell? If you think man created hell then you are giving man a whole lot of power. Man has not created anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted August 17, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 107 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,820 Content Per Day: 1.30 Reputation: 4,806 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted August 17, 2019 On 8/16/2019 at 1:03 PM, Evgen said: Who had created hell? GOD is Love – He couldn’t. Love doesn’t create tortures. On the other hand, Brother, you start off with a false premise that leads to your false conclusion. Yes, God is love. He is Love to the point that my brain can't bear trying to understand it. WHY should he love us? There's so much hate in this world, murders, raping of children, wars, homosexuality - the new and accepted norm, pornography and sex trafficking is a world wide problem, and people, Christians included, are entrenched in idolatry of sex, power, food, bitterness, and a list that goes on endlessly. So, yes, to say that "God is Love" teaches a idea that few can understand. God is Love does not mean that God is a hippie, wearing his love beads, and telling everyone that it's all going to be fine - I won't punish anyone for anything - here, have a flower. God is Love means something very humbling to the sinner - something that should make him stop in his tracks and fall face down in shame and reverence to God. AND obey him. God doesn't love us because we are so cute and lovable. We are disgusting compared to God's holiness and yet he loves us all the same. THAT's what I cannot completely understand. You've left out a very important theological fact God is also a God of wrath. Deservedly so. And his wrath is not a wild and foaming-at-the-mouth rage like our wrath is. Our wrath is emotional and destructive. God MUST be a God of wrath if he is to be God at all. God is holy and perfect and blameless. He PATIENTLY waits for ALL to hear the gospel. His desire is for ALL to be saved. The Bible says that, not me. Not all will be saved. Not all will submit to God. Many mock him, hate him, live however they choose with no regard to their offense to a holy and sovereign God. Can they be saved. YES! But if they die this way - hell is their destination. Many think God is a roaring and angry old man who takes pleasure in torment. I can show those people time after time after time after time in the Bible - both Old and New Testament where God showed his patience toward individuals, nations, Hebrew and Gentile. God's wrath MUST be. His love IS. I didn't make up the following ….. I've heard it, but don't know who to attribute it to. "You want to see God's Love? Look to the cross. You want to see God's Wrath? Look to the cross." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unworthyservant Posted August 17, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 96 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 645 Content Per Day: 0.37 Reputation: 298 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/11/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted August 17, 2019 What a dissertation on Hell. All I really need to know about Hell is that the Bible teaches me that it's not a good place to spend eternity and if I follow the teachings of Christ I know where I'm going and don't have to worry about it for myself so all I can do is share the gospel so that others might find faith and thereby also avoid spending eternity there. And if I try to figure out who made it then that's spending the time I should be devoting to God's work. (I believe that God created everything for His purpose. And Hell isn't necessarily evil in itself, it's a place of punishment for evildoers) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unworthyservant Posted August 17, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 96 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 645 Content Per Day: 0.37 Reputation: 298 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/11/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted August 17, 2019 3 hours ago, missmuffet said: Then who created hell? If you think man created hell then you are giving man a whole lot of power. Man has not created anything. missmuffet, you say man hasn't created anything. I beg to differ. In my opinion man has created a colossal mess of this beautiful world that God has given us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted August 18, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.80 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted August 18, 2019 1 hour ago, unworthyservant said: missmuffet, you say man hasn't created anything. I beg to differ. In my opinion man has created a colossal mess of this beautiful world that God has given us. What I mean is that man has not created another human,all of the living creatures, this universe, the stars or the moon or hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unworthyservant Posted August 18, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 96 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 645 Content Per Day: 0.37 Reputation: 298 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/11/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted August 18, 2019 Just now, missmuffet said: What I mean is that man has not created another human,all of the living creatures, this universe, the stars or the moon or hell. I know what you meant. I was just making a lighthearted point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted August 18, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.80 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted August 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, unworthyservant said: I know what you meant. I was just making a lighthearted point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Evgen Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 7 hours ago, Dennis1209 said: Matthew 25:41 (KJV) Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: Now we know from Jesus Himself why and who Hell was created for. I suppose, what you underlined in the Scripture was a bit short. Kindly extend to "ye cursed". See also the capitalisation of "he" and "Hell." (As for me, I correct sometimes our Brothers publishers.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Evgen Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 3 hours ago, unworthyservant said: What a dissertation on Hell. I beg to note, "dissertation" is a wrong word. At least, because many of those who write them have quite worldly purposes. What I posted on hell is just an opinion. Regards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unworthyservant Posted August 18, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 96 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 645 Content Per Day: 0.37 Reputation: 298 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/11/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted August 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, Evgen said: I beg to note, "dissertation" is a wrong word. At least, because many of those who write them have quite worldly purposes. What I posted on hell is just an opinion. Regards. I used the word dissertation simply to denote that it went into great length on the subject. Nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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