BeauJangles Posted August 29, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 43 Topic Count: 229 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 10,900 Content Per Day: 2.92 Reputation: 12,145 Days Won: 68 Joined: 02/13/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1954 Share Posted August 29, 2019 8 minutes ago, ShinyGospelShoes said: I haven't suggested anything yet in regards Michael as Jesus (yet). I wouldn't do that either. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinyGospelShoes Posted August 29, 2019 Group: Seventh Day Adventist Followers: 2 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 369 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 44 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/10/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted August 29, 2019 15 minutes ago, saved34 said: Heb 1:13 To which of the angels did God ever say, "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet"? Hebrews 1:13 refers to the created (hence "maketh") angelic hosts, not the uncreated "Angel of the LORD" - Son of the Father, as we see in Hebrews 1:1-3, the highest Messenger sent from the Father. In fact, Hebrews states that the created angelic hosts (Gabriel, etc) are the "fellows" in office of messengers to the uncreated Son, who is the highest Messenger. Mat_21:37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. Context? Hebrews 1 vs 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinyGospelShoes Posted August 29, 2019 Group: Seventh Day Adventist Followers: 2 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 369 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 44 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/10/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted August 29, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, BeauJangles said: I did not make thiz statement you've quoted me mistakenly here. I didn't say you did. I simply stated that the statement that you quoted was in error. I know you cited the in error gotquestions page. Edited August 29, 2019 by ShinyGospelShoes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeauJangles Posted August 29, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 43 Topic Count: 229 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 10,900 Content Per Day: 2.92 Reputation: 12,145 Days Won: 68 Joined: 02/13/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1954 Share Posted August 29, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ShinyGospelShoes said: I didn't say you did. I simply stated that the statement was in error. I know you cited the in error gotquestions page. When you put someone in quote form, you are implying this. gotquestions.org is a reliable source, by the way. Edited August 29, 2019 by BeauJangles 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinyGospelShoes Posted August 29, 2019 Group: Seventh Day Adventist Followers: 2 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 369 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 44 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/10/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted August 29, 2019 2 hours ago, Sonshine☀️ said: Well, it’s clear that Michael the archangel is way more powerful than Satan. Revelation 12:7-9 King James Version (KJV) 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Shine on! Indeed. I like how you cited Revelation 12, for it is written in a specific chiastic (parallel) pattern: Notice the chiastic structure. [A1] Revelation 12:1-5 = Woman, Child and Dragon [B1] Revelation 12:6 = Woman in Wilderness for 1,260 days [years] [C1] Revelation 12:7-9 = War between Michael and Satan in Heaven [D1] Revelation 12:10 = Cross, Power of Christ, His Victory [D2] Revelation 12:11 = Lamb, Blood of Christ, Their [overcoming saints] Victory in Him [C2] Revelation 12:12 = Dragon permanently cast down to Earth fights against Jesus' body [B2] Revelation 12:13-16 = Woman in Wilderness, for a time, and times, and half a time [aka, 3 1/2 times or 1,260 days [years]] [A2] Revelation 12:17 = Woman, her Seed and Dragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinyGospelShoes Posted August 29, 2019 Group: Seventh Day Adventist Followers: 2 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 369 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 44 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/10/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted August 29, 2019 7 minutes ago, BeauJangles said: When you put someone in quote form, you are implying this. gotquestions.org is a reliable source, by the way. Did you or did you not quote gotquestions? How else am I to respond to your quotation of it? I disagree entirely about that 'source'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinyGospelShoes Posted August 29, 2019 Group: Seventh Day Adventist Followers: 2 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 369 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 44 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/10/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted August 29, 2019 2 hours ago, maryjayne said: I was brought up to believe that Satan and Jesus had equal amounts of power. The scripture quoted above make that teaching a lie, doesn't it. I assume you were raised LDS (Mormon) by the statement? Yes, Michael is very much greater in strength than Lucifer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeauJangles Posted August 29, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 43 Topic Count: 229 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 10,900 Content Per Day: 2.92 Reputation: 12,145 Days Won: 68 Joined: 02/13/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1954 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Just now, ShinyGospelShoes said: Did you or did you not quote gotquestions? How else am I to respond to your quotation of it? I disagree entirely about that 'source'. No, I did not quote it. I did post it, however, as it was from the OP. Surely you know the difference of quoting a statement from a copy/paste. You don't have to agree about gotquestions.org, but please don't misquote me. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinyGospelShoes Posted August 29, 2019 Group: Seventh Day Adventist Followers: 2 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 369 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 44 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/10/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted August 29, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, BeauJangles said: No, I did not quote it. Thank you for your time. I have more important things to do than play the game of semantics. Edited August 29, 2019 by ShinyGospelShoes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saved34 Posted August 29, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,185 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 667 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/28/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/19/1971 Share Posted August 29, 2019 1 minute ago, ShinyGospelShoes said: I assume you were raised LDS (Mormon) by the statement? Yes, Michael is very much greater in strength than Lucifer. So you are actually going to promote this false teaching on this site? Was and is Michael God? You go out of your way to promote the Son of God as an angel. You do realize God has stepped into his creation before the incarnation, as a man and an angel. In Christ it was unique as he was actually born a human and fully took part in humanity not to be confused with his appearances as Theophanies. Joh 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known. Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Act 20:28 Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood. You must be a Jehovah’s Witness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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