ShinyGospelShoes Posted August 29, 2019 Group: Seventh Day Adventist Followers: 2 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 369 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 44 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/10/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted August 29, 2019 1 minute ago, saved34 said: Christ is now “one of the princes? Consider the word "prince", just means a 'ruler' over. Go to the link already provided and see the following section for an indepth study: [10-F] Question 06: How can the Son of God – Jesus be Michael the archangel, since in Daniel 10:13 KJB, Michael is said to be “... one of the chief princes ...”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinyGospelShoes Posted August 29, 2019 Group: Seventh Day Adventist Followers: 2 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 369 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 44 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/10/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted August 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, saved34 said: A war? Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, You might desire to look up those words. Also, you may want to consider words like "resist", "disputed", etc: Please notice the parallels between these accounts: [01] Daniel 10:13 - “... Michael, one of the chief princes ...” Zechariah 3:1-6 - “... The Angel of the LORD ...” Jude 1:9 - “... Michael the archangel ...” Revelation 12:7 - “... Michael and his angels ...” [02] Daniel 10:13 - “... the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood [me, Gabriel a lesser arch-angel, but then Michael/Jesus arrives to “help” Gabriel withstand and overcome the arguments of the devil] ...” Zechariah 3:1 - “... Satan standing at his right hand to resist him ...” Jude 1:9 - “... the devil disputed ...” Revelation 12:7 - “... fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels ...” [03] Daniel 10:13 - “... came to help me [Gabriel, the lesser arch-angel] ...” Zechariah 3:1-10 - “… Joshua ...”, the high priest, servant of the LORD Jude 1:9 - “... Moses ...”, the prophet, servant of the LORD Revelation 12:7 - “... and his angels [like Gabriel, the lesser arch-angel, Seraphim, Cherubim, etc.] ...” [04] Daniel 10:13 - [there is no direct parallel in this passage to the other two, but the absence thereof would parallel in chiastic nature that of Revelation 12:7] Zechariah 3:2 - [The LORD Himself said:] “... The LORD rebuke thee ...”, “... even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee ...” Jude 1:9 - [Michael the archangel said:] “... said, The Lord rebuke thee ...” Revelation 12:7 - [there is no direct parallel in this passage to the other two, but the absence thereof would parallel in chiastic nature that of Daniel 10:13] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinyGospelShoes Posted August 29, 2019 Group: Seventh Day Adventist Followers: 2 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 369 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 44 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/10/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted August 29, 2019 10 minutes ago, saved34 said: He said “Go” and they went. Would you say that they (devils) in that instance were "cast out"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adstar Posted August 29, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 12 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,399 Content Per Day: 0.43 Reputation: 1,307 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted August 29, 2019 The Archangel Micheal is an Archangel named Micheal.... If He was something other then an Angel then the Word of God would say so.. Do not worship Angels.. Colossians 2: KJV 18 "Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind," Hebrews 1: KJV 5 "For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? {6} And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinyGospelShoes Posted August 29, 2019 Group: Seventh Day Adventist Followers: 2 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 369 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 44 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/10/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted August 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, Adstar said: The Archangel Micheal is an Archangel named Micheal.... If He was something other then an Angel then the Word of God would say so.. Do not worship Angels.. Colossians 2: KJV 18 "Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind," Hebrews 1: KJV 5 "For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? {6} And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him." Already addressed, if you may please read through the thread before posting, thank you. https://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/240728-who-is-the-archangel-michael/?do=findComment&comment=3036838 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saved34 Posted August 29, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,185 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 667 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/28/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/19/1971 Share Posted August 29, 2019 9 minutes ago, ShinyGospelShoes said: Would you say that they (devils) in that instance were "cast out"? Mat 8:31 So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine. Mat 8:32 And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adstar Posted August 29, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 12 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,399 Content Per Day: 0.43 Reputation: 1,307 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted August 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, ShinyGospelShoes said: Already addressed, if you may please read through the thread before posting, thank you. https://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/240728-who-is-the-archangel-michael/?do=findComment&comment=3036838 Seen your responce and totally reject it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinyGospelShoes Posted August 29, 2019 Group: Seventh Day Adventist Followers: 2 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 369 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 44 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/10/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted August 29, 2019 Just now, saved34 said: Mat 8:31 So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine. Mat 8:32 And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters. Do you see the other highlighted words in Matthew 8:31, in green in your reply that I took the liberty of also highlighting? Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinyGospelShoes Posted August 29, 2019 Group: Seventh Day Adventist Followers: 2 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 369 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 44 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/10/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted August 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Adstar said: Seen your responce and totally reject it.. Your prerogative. No evidence contrary to was given by yourself, but still your prerogative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saved34 Posted August 29, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,185 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 667 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/28/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/19/1971 Share Posted August 29, 2019 7 minutes ago, ShinyGospelShoes said: Already addressed, if you may please read through the thread before posting, thank you. https://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/240728-who-is-the-archangel-michael/?do=findComment&comment=3036838 You actually did not address it. You made a poor attempt in explaining it away. Christ is not one of many princes, he is worshipped by ALL the angels, he is our head and is far above all angels, demons, princes and kings. Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: You are clearly not holding our head in his proper position. You are confusing Theophanies with our Lord being Michael. No Apostle has ever said this. They clearly teach that our Lord is God but somehow forgot to tell us he is Michael. No Gospel mentions this and neither does any Epistle. You are fulfilling the scriptures in Colossians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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