Davve Posted March 14, 2007 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 11 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/07/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted March 14, 2007 I sure had a lot of fun reading all the responses justifying seeking tongues. Seems to me that those who recieved them in the Bible didn't seek them or ask for them or desire them, they just got them. I think that is just so cool the way the Holy Ghost did something that they didn't ask or seek for, but equiped them for, at the time that they needed it. I love it. As an ex-penacostal I enjoy hearing the passion with which the Gifts and defended and Tongues are defended. My well meaning, but misguided pastors led me to, "The Power" of God also, but were all the while leading me further away from Jesus himself. Tongues are a waste of time and energy and rob a saint from serving Jesus without their own agenda being incorporated. (that should get a lot of quotes)Look, it's something we are seeking after, going for....for What? More power, More direct connection, More special or secret knowlege, More, More More....I remember being in services were all we did was Cry Fervently, MORE....MORE....MORE....MORE....Tears streaming down our faces, wailing and crying and reaching, and when someone screamed we all got excited because someone just got touched by God! Where do you think tongues lead? Don't you see it? The Bible is superseeded by the NEW word from God spoken by the pastor or someone in the congreation. Yes the Bible says: Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. But we prove all things by taking texts from here and there and putting them all together like a puzzle so the picutre is what we think it should look like. So what ever doctrine we think fits, gets sucked into the mix. I have relation that are still in the tongues deception of today. They pity me. I watch them be manipulated by highly emotionally charged services where; "God really showed up this morning" and are so addicted to "Proof Text Preaching" that as they read the Bible, context is not a consideration any longer, just personal revelation. What A Mess! I am a servant of Jesus Christ alone. My identity is wraped up in him. I have no agenda but to serve him today, and, by the grace and mercy of God, tomorrow. I want no power, I want no special word, I want only to serve him by serving those around me, and I trust him to equip me along the way. An ex-pentacostal with no regretts, Daave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickilynn Posted March 14, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 138 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,997 Content Per Day: 0.64 Reputation: 19 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/13/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted March 14, 2007 Shalom Davve, It seems you are focusing more on being an "EX" than being a current Christian. And tongues are not a deception, they are Biblical. Please do not let bitterness cloud your spiritual vision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaritateDei Posted March 14, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 400 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/02/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted March 14, 2007 (edited) Is tongues a more important way to pray? Does God hear tongues better than he can hear us...humble servants who do not have the gift of tongues? I really want to know... Edited March 14, 2007 by CaritateDei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovedya Posted March 14, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 375 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 11,400 Content Per Day: 1.44 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1971 Share Posted March 14, 2007 Is tongues a more important way to pray? Does God hear tongues better than he can hear us...humble servats who do not have the gift of tongues? I really want to know... No. Like Paul, I would rather pray a single word in a discernable tongue than a thousand in another. Prayer is prayer, is prayer is prayer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaritateDei Posted March 14, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 400 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/02/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted March 14, 2007 Is tongues a more important way to pray? Does God hear tongues better than he can hear us...humble servats who do not have the gift of tongues? I really want to know... No. Like Paul, I would rather pray a single word in a discernable tongue than a thousand in another. Prayer is prayer, is prayer is prayer. Then why is tongues so important to so many people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua-777 Posted March 14, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 410 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 3,102 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 522 Days Won: 6 Joined: 10/19/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/07/1984 Share Posted March 14, 2007 A week after I accepted the Lord in my heart, I was reading first corinthians 12-14, and I prayed for the gift, then I just felt total peace, and started praying in a new language. It was amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickilynn Posted March 14, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 138 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,997 Content Per Day: 0.64 Reputation: 19 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/13/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted March 14, 2007 Is tongues a more important way to pray? Does God hear tongues better than he can hear us...humble servats who do not have the gift of tongues? I really want to know... No. Like Paul, I would rather pray a single word in a discernable tongue than a thousand in another. Prayer is prayer, is prayer is prayer. Then why is tongues so important to so many people? Shalom, It is a Biblical gift from G-d. It is a Heavenly prayer language. It is directly from G-d. Why wouldn't any gift from G-d be important to Christians? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giaour Posted March 14, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 179 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,941 Content Per Day: 0.55 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/28/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/08/1964 Share Posted March 14, 2007 Question In Acts 2:4 and 1 Corinthians 12, it talks about the tongue as a spiritual gift. My question is, "How is the tongue supposed to be used today, and how can we misuse it?" Answer It is very clear in Acts 2, that God gave to the Apostles the ability to speak in languages that they did not know. As a result, it says, people were hearing in all different kinds of languages, the wonderful works of God. Now, I believe that the purpose of that gift was to establish the fact that a supernatural presence, a supernatural message, was to be proclaimed. It call the attention of everyone who was hearing this. Some of the people concluded that they were drunk because it was early in the morning, but it collected the people around the phenomena of that wondrous ability to speak in those languages which they didn't know--that was a Holy Spirit miracle. Then when the crowd was all gathered, Peter stood up and preached in a language that everybody understood and in his own native tongue the gospel of Jesus Christ and 3,000 people were saved and the Church was born. I see in that then that the tongues were a sign, a sign of the miraculous power of God. A sign of supernatural presence which drew the people together and made the message that was preached more powerful, more acceptable, more authentic in their eyes. So, in that occasion we see it clearly as a sign that God was speaking and when God got their attention, then came the message of the gospel. By the way, if you follow that through, I believe "tongues" probably occurred in Acts 8 even though it doesn't say that, but where you have the church moving out into Samaria, and then in chapter 10, definitely occurred when the church moves to the Gentiles, and then later on in 19, when John the Baptist's disciples were brought into the church, you have it again. I believe in the Book of Acts the reason that you have the "tongues" repeated again is because every time the next dimension of people were added to the church it was important that they have the same phenomena so that they would know that they were being added to the same body. So that the sign given of the Day of Pentecost was repeated at each new phase of the church. Do you remember that the gospel was to go forth and they were to be witnesses in Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria, and the world? When the gospel came to the Samaritans there was the same phenomena; when it came to the Gentiles there was the same phenomena; when those who followed John the Baptist were brought in, they saw the same phenomena. Peter came back and reported (you remember) to the council that "on the Gentiles came the same thing that came on us." So as the Lord built the church they had this same sign, the same supernatural sign so that the Jews would not think that they received something special that Samaritans and Gentiles didn't get. So, it was a sign gift. Now you come into 1 Corinthians 12-14, it is still a sign gift but it was being perverted in the Corinthian Church, and I believe that it was being mixed and mingled with a lot of ecstatic speech that was a part of the pagan religion of that day. It was still (if it was used properly) to be a sign gift. Paul, then in 1 Corinthians 12-14 regulates it. He says how it is to function, he first of all introduces it as a gift in chapter 12. He tells at the end of chapter 12 that it is an unimportant gift. In chapter 13 he says "love" is much more important. In chapter 14 "edification" is much more important. He says, "Women are never to exercise it. It is never to more than two or three people. It's never to be without interpretation." But it doesn't change the nature of it--it was a sign gift--a sign of the presence of God and a sign that God was about to speak so that when the speaker spoke they would know it was from God. In that sense it is a sign that we don't need any more because when a speaker speaks today we know whether he is from God or not by how he is consistent with Scripture. I don't need "signs and wonders" to attest to a prophet--if he sticks with the Book I know he speaks for God. But in that day when there was no New Testament to compare him with, God gave, as it says in 2 Corinthians, "the gifts of an apostle, and signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds" (12:12). So, "tongues" was a sign gift (and I am giving you a condensed version, again you can get the book on "Tongues." I hate to keep saying that, but it there available if you want one--pick one up "on me."). But the gift of "tongues" was a sign gift. Now, I believe it has ceased. I believe that it has passed away. 1 Corinthians 13, "Whether there be tongues they shall...(and it uses a reflective form of the verb) . . . cease by themselves." I believe when the end of the Apostolic Era came--tongues ceased. I believe that you can chronicle through the history of the church the cessation of tongues--they didn't exist, except in aberrant forms. It was revived in the early part of the 1900's and brought back in as if it were some legitimate gift--it is my conviction that it has no place in the church today--no place. It was part of the "Signs of an Apostle," such as healing, and the gift of miracles, which I see as "dunamis" (Greek) or the gift of "power"--that is, to cast out demons on the spot--at will. So, I think that it was one of those temporary gifts that passed away, was used to signify the spokesman for God who were speaking, so that the people would know they spoke for God, which we now know by whether they stick with the Word. Now you say, "Now, what is it that people are doing today?" Well, I think, the people who are speaking in what they call "Tongues" could be explained in many ways: 1. I think much of it is learned behavior, just learned behavior--they learned how to do it. They are in a group that does it, in fact, I have heard it in many places around the country, I have listened to it on tape. When I was working on the book I got involved in studying some of the reports of it, and it is very interesting that much of it is the same language and the same repeated symbols--it is a non-language, but it is very often learned behavior. 2. It can also be explained as sort of mental perocisms (sp) where you sort of flip out in a sort of self-hypnotic situations. 3. Some of it can be demonic. There are other explanations, but I see that it has ceased from a Biblical viewpoint, and has no function in the church today. http://www.biblebb.com/files/macqa/70-7-9.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovedya Posted March 14, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 375 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 11,400 Content Per Day: 1.44 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1971 Share Posted March 14, 2007 Is tongues a more important way to pray? Does God hear tongues better than he can hear us...humble servats who do not have the gift of tongues? I really want to know... No. Like Paul, I would rather pray a single word in a discernable tongue than a thousand in another. Prayer is prayer, is prayer is prayer. Then why is tongues so important to so many people? Because a lot of people are seeking supernatural experiences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatingaxe Posted March 14, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 9,613 Content Per Day: 1.45 Reputation: 656 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/31/1952 Share Posted March 14, 2007 It is only important inasmuch as it is a gift of God, and it is good! Anything wrong with God's goodness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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