$1000 A Month (Not A Political Post)

[Neighbor]

8 hours ago, missmuffet said:

First of all we have to establish that it is God's money not our money

Hi, I don't know if I  I  buy into that premise or not, for whose "face" is on the potential electronic transfer? Is it our Lord's?  Such a payment or transfer will not be coming from Jesus nor His church body will it? Is it not  from a caesar or type of politburo, and will it not designated to be used as the confiscating giver decrees with limits also placed on how it will be used? Won't it be a government asset/power and to be both given  and also taken under it's regional civil bureaucracy demands on how it is utilized? It will not be  from a gathering up among the saints and given to a suffering church body, but instead it will be confiscated from one  person and distributed to yet another without so much as a prayer or praise to God for  or from either. 

 

Reference for consideration: 

"Matthew 22:15-22 English Standard Version (ESV)

Paying Taxes to Caesar

 Then the Pharisees went and plotted how to entangle him in his words.  And they sent their disciples to him, along with the Herodians, saying, “Teacher, we know that you are true and teach the way of God truthfully, and you do not care about anyone's opinion, for you are not swayed by appearances. Tell us, then, what you think. Is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar, or not?”  But Jesus, aware of their malice, said, “Why put me to the test, you hypocrites? 19 Show me the coin for the tax.” And they brought him a denarius. And Jesus said to them, “Whose likeness and inscription is this?”  They said, “Caesar's.” Then he said to them, “Therefore render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.”  When they heard it, they marveled. And they left him and went away."

and,

John 18:33-38 English Standard Version (ESV)

My Kingdom Is Not of This World

 So Pilate entered his headquarters again and called Jesus and said to him, “Are you the King of the Jews?”  Jesus answered, “Do you say this of your own accord, or did others say it to you about me?”  Pilate answered, “Am I a Jew? Your own nation and the chief priests have delivered you over to me. What have you done?”  Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.”  Then Pilate said to him, “So you are a king?” Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. For this purpose I was born and for this purpose I have come into the world—to bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to my voice.”  Pilate said to him, “What is truth?”

After he had said this, he went back outside to the Jews and told them, “I find no guilt in him.

Plus; if it were from our Lord via his own flock as guided by the Holy Spirit I think it would be in the amount perfect for the real need of the recipients and intended for the use of the recipient's daily need, not to pass on to God without receiving significant personal  benefit. God does love a cheerful giver.  I think that also presumes a thankful to God recipient, not one that states no no I cannot accept that  I will pass it on to my Lord.

"Manna" is to be gathered, and consumed. Seems to me such a program will not be manna, won't even be a free handout, but instead will be yet another restrictive  plot to further enslave the already dependently enslaved. The cost of everything  used by end consumers will go up for the taxes will also go up on all products and all businesses and all people that are left paying taxes, and at the end there will be little or no benefit to anyone.

Personally I have found it is my God that ultimately provides both what seems good by me, and  also seems bad at the time but leads me to where God will have me to go. So maybe it will of God after all -

Just  thoughts to ponder for my own consideration.

[Neighbor]

10 minutes ago, ayin jade said:

Where will the money come from? 

Me! But I already gave at the "office".

Let's see, I give more in order to get mine. Isn't there a hidden processing fee in there somewhere?  Bet such a free gift from government costs me more than the value of the gift. Plus I bet it will somehow be designed so that it puts me into a higher tax rate  bracket just as a further burr. 

Hard to see this as anything but a political ploy. Doesn't have the ring  of a non political movement of any kind except in the bigger picture where we realize "For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places."

[Neighbor]

49 minutes ago, Debp said:

It would help with the extremely high rent I have.   (And my rent is considered low by L.A. standards.).  So I wouldn't have to budget so very much.   Also, could help missions more.

You know your rent would immediately increase upon the next lease period. The company that owns the building will be taxed at a higher rate to raise the funds to give you the money. They will have to anticipate what their increasing tax burden will be, and how to maintain a rate of return on their investment in order to keep their investors. Plus every mechanic that comes to service your building will have to raise their cost to cover their own increasing taxes  needed to pay  for this give away from government.

"Only butterflies are free."

 

But see some of us are already counting this potential money as being in our own  pocket and figuring what to do with this "free gift". -And many vote for those that promise to give free stuff. Kind of a selling of one's soul for a soup today.

"Genesis 25:29-33 English Standard Version (ESV)

Esau Sells His Birthright

 Once when Jacob was cooking stew, Esau came in from the field, and he was exhausted.  And Esau said to Jacob, “Let me eat some of that red stew, for I am exhausted!” (Therefore his name was called Edom.  Jacob said, “Sell me your birthright now.”  Esau said, “I am about to die; of what use is a birthright to me?” Jacob said, “Swear to me now.” So he swore to him and sold his birthright to Jacob."

Seems to me  one needs be careful what is being sold in order to get what is supposedly a free benefit today.

[Debp]

1 minute ago, Neighbor said:

You know your rent would immediately increase upon the next lease period. The company that owns the building will be taxed ast a higher rate to raise the funds to give you the money. They will have to anticipate what their increasing tax burden will be, and how to maintain a rate of return on their investment in order to keep their investors. Plus every mechanic that comes ot service your building will have to raise their cost to cover their own increasing taxes  needed to pay  for this give away from government.

"Only butterflies are free."

My rent gets raised each and every year already.

This apartment management company is awful and does illegal things.   They charged us $135 for a plumber a few days before Christmas (plumber was in June).   They said they wouldn't take our rent check if we didn't pay the plumber!   My elderly mom and I were very stressed at them doing that, so we paid that bill.

I later found out the several other tenants they tried to charge called the city and didn't have to pay their bills.   A city inspector told me next time don't pay it, call him.

[The_Patriot21]

then wed all be broke and living on the street...that 1000 bucks has to come from somewhere-which means taxes. the only way to do that is to tax the snot out of everyone who works hard...which means theyre going to stop working (why work when everyone else is going to get your money) then either the government will tax that 1000 bucks to pay the 1000 bucks...or run out of money...leaving everyone broke and on the street.

fact of the matter is...I get far more then that every month, not because someone gives it to me, but because I earn it. The good Lord has provided me with a solid job that pays all my bills and then some. But-I didnt get here overnight. when me and my wife got married $1000 a month between the two of us was a lot of money! but, not enough to really start a family. So we moved, I increased my job skills, and now, I make good money and I earn it, like the Bible tells us to.

[Neighbor]

39 minutes ago, Debp said:

My rent gets raised each and every year already.

This apartment management company is awful and does illegal things.   They charged us $135 for a plumber a few days before Christmas (plumber was in June).   They said they wouldn't take our rent check if we didn't pay the plumber!   My elderly mom and I were very stressed at them doing that, so we paid that bill.

I later found out the several other tenants they tried to charge called the city and didn't have to pay their bills.   A city inspector told me next time don't pay it, call him.

Yes and I do sympathize with you over your dilemma. You did share of that or a similar issue, and yes these things do happen to good people.

The question becomes does government confiscation of my asset help you pay the landlord or a plumber, or does it in the end just result in the plumber having to raise his hourly fee to yo $175 which someone has to pay or he goes broke? If the landlord pays the plumber, his bottom line  on his financial record dictates that he must  at next lease period raise the rents. it is just the way it is. Nothing is free someone pays, and with government hand outs it is most everyone at the end of the line, it is everyone when one looks at how the money gets to government.

You say your high  rent is really low but you want the landlord to absorb the plumbing costs. Can't be done. Somewhere along that financial spreadsheet the landlord has to recoup the plumber's fees. Where else can that be except from you?

Over the years you have opted to stay in high cost Los Angeles rather than move out like many thousands upon thousands have. It is a choice and all choices have financial consequence. It is also a subject I am reviewing  even now, to see if there is a way to help in another community where  incomes are generally low help wanted signs are everywhere but housing costs are sky rocketing beyond capacity to absorb them by the tenants.  So far I cannot make the numbers work to any conclusion other than all the government decrees raise costs to the point that the poorer of us suffer the greatest even with the so called free benefits from government.

The likely  potential of yet more government programs and decrees that raise costs make it just too difficult to proceed to build or modify what already exists for low income low rent housing facilities.  On the other hand there are all sorts of new expensive rental units just mushrooming around the country.Very many of them in the bigger cities where the young evidently love to live. And ride on their free city owned electric scooters.

The cities are becoming vibrant I guess. Restaurants with prices I cannot comfortably afford are popping up in downtown districts even as the old time one's go out of business, for they and their old time customers just can't seem to adjust to the new hourly worker costs.  Yet the sellers of booze and a sandwich in trendy places seem to be on the upswing. It is a foreign and odd mix that baffles me.

at th eend of it all -Someone has to pay the plumber! And guess what, the end user the benefactor of the plumber's effort is going to be that person one way or another. Neither you nor I am going to get free plumbing service, it just can't be done.

 

[Neighbor]

1 minute ago, The_Patriot2019 said:

So we moved

Yep. "So we moved".

A dispersion of the saints to many places is still under way. If all was well all would sit where they are. Yet God wants us on the move, and many are. 

[Debp]

9 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

You say your high  rent is really low but you want the landlord to absorb the plumbing costs. Can't be done. Somewhere along that financial spreadsheet the landlord has to recoup the plumber's fees. Where else can that be except from you?

In Los Angeles, as renters, the landlord is required to pay the plumbing bills.  That is the law.  The city inspector said the only way they can charge is if they can prove you deliberately damaged the plumbing (which we didn't).

My rent is now $1216  and will go up again in March.   New tenants are paying about $1700 to $1860 a month, one bedroom, and that goes up.   There are 74 apartments in this building so they get plenty of money.

[Neighbor]

Example just for "fun"

A casino company came to the county! Yea casino! A casino is built, the locals get low paying jobs at the casino and are at first happy, except more people come seeking the low paying service jobs and wages stay suppressed.

Visitors come as tourists now to the county to go to the casino, and motels get to raise their daily rates from $70 a night to $200 a night and more.

Soon residential rental property owners get in on this bonanza and turn their rental units into daily rentals or weekly rentals at really high rates. Longer term leasing units go down in numbers. So monthly rents go way way up for the remaining housing still on the marketplace for rent. Locals can't afford them any longer and so the towns lose their worker base. Stores and restaurants no longer can get help and have to post  signs beside their help wanted signs that read closed due to lack of help for today. 

I have looked at property in such a county. I have looked at off the grid,  at tiny house dwellings, at apartments, rooming houses, even at the old Shaker Villages manner of living communally, none of it seems to make economic sense so far. I may have desire to  provide, but reality gets in the way.

Still working on it, still praying for some way to make an improvement, but it is just beyond my limited capacity to change what is reality.  Near as I can tell, at some point there will have to be higher prices and higher wages without corresponding higher taxes. That means less government. lots-o-luck, eh?

[Neighbor]

13 minutes ago, Debp said:

the landlord is required to pay the plumbing bills.  That is the law.

Doesn't matter Debp. Economics dictates that the landlord must recoup his expenses plus make a profit! You pay one way or another. If you don't the landlord has to find someone that can and will. That is life, nothing is free even to the landlord. Sorry but that is just the way it is. It does get very hard for some of us. Not everyone can just make more money and pay higher costs, least not by staying in place where they are.

I do think that at this rate there will be an interest in what the Shaker movement did so long ago. It served a need a real need of the time, and perhaps it will yet again.