Firm Foundation Posted October 14, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted October 14, 2019 14 minutes ago, saved34 said: Then you are deceiving your own self . The Holy Spirit said this. 1Jn 1:8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. You are not walking in God’s Holy light of fellowship if you claim you don’t sin. That light reveals our sinfulness which we then confess so he can take it away that our walk may be pure. If you deny this then you walk in darkness and are calling Christ a liar. walking in the light is not sinless perfection, it is walking in honesty before the Lord, confessing every sin whether willful or not. He promises to forgive and clean us whether that is daily, weekly, monthly, etc. The Holy Spirit made no such distinction. 1 John 3 says you are wrong. Christians are not in bondage to sin. We do not have to ever commit willful sins after salvation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firm Foundation Posted October 14, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted October 14, 2019 8 minutes ago, Willa said: Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful toward their iniquities, and I will remember their sins no more." Heb 8:13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. Heb 9:7 but into the second only the high priest goes, and he but once a year, and not without taking blood, which he offers for himself and for the unintentional sins of the people. Heb 9:11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) Heb 9:12 he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. Heb 9:13 For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctify for the purification of the flesh, Heb 9:14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God. Heb 9:15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant. Heb 9:22 Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. Heb 9:23 Thus it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these rites, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. Heb 9:24 For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. Heb 9:25 Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own, Heb 9:26 for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. The point of all this is that Jesus made a better covenant with a better blood sacrifice that is for all sin, not just for unintentional sin. It secured eternal redemption. ( Transgression IS law breaking.) Jesus's sacrifice was one sacrifice for all time, not a yearly sacrifice, and it is one that can cleanse our consciences to serve God not by rituals or self effort producing self righteousness, but by walking in the Spirit so as to obey the law of love. Gal 5:13 For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF." Gal 5:16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. FINALLY Rom 4:5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, The new covenant is greater in more ways than that. Jesus breaks the bondages of sin. He is merciful to us when we sin, but there is a difference in willful sins and sins done by mistake or without thought. In that way, all do sin, but not like people are teaching here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saved34 Posted October 14, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,185 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 667 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/28/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/19/1971 Share Posted October 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, Firm Foundation said: 1 John 3 says you are wrong. Christians are not in bondage to sin. We do not have to ever commit willful sins after salvation. No, 1John 3 says we do not live in a lifestyle of sin. We do not perpetually sin as a lifestyle. You must know this if you rightly divide the word. In other words sin is not the norm for us, but we do sin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firm Foundation Posted October 14, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted October 14, 2019 11 minutes ago, saved34 said: Context, the Children of the flesh represented by Ishmael are those who still seek to be under the Law. We who trust in Christ alone are the children of promise. It has absolutely nothing to do with antinomians abusing the grace of God. It’s also interesting that you see our disagreements as us persecuting you. That is very telling to me. The accusations towards us shows lack of substance from the other side which is very telling. You were asking about Butero. He does a weekly message on YouTube and links it at Narrow Way Forums in the church section. He covered all this in his message last night on topic of False Teachers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saved34 Posted October 14, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,185 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 667 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/28/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/19/1971 Share Posted October 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Firm Foundation said: The new covenant is greater in more ways than that. Jesus breaks the bondages of sin. He is merciful to us when we sin, but there is a difference in willful sins and sins done by mistake or without thought. In that way, all do sin, but not like people are teaching here. Did David willfully have Bathsheba’s husband killed? Did Peter intentionally show racism against the Gentiles? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firm Foundation Posted October 14, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted October 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, saved34 said: No, 1John 3 says we do not live in a lifestyle of sin. We do not perpetually sin as a lifestyle. You must know this if you rightly divide the word. In other words sin is not the norm for us, but we do sin. In addition to that, Galatians 5 says those who continue in a lifestyle of sin shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firm Foundation Posted October 14, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted October 14, 2019 Just now, saved34 said: Did David willfully have Bathsheba’s husband killed? Did Peter intentionally show racism against the Gentiles? They repented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firm Foundation Posted October 14, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted October 14, 2019 (edited) By the way, Peter's sin wasn't willful. Peter didn't realize he was sinning till it was pointed out. Edited October 14, 2019 by Firm Foundation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saved34 Posted October 14, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,185 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 667 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/28/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/19/1971 Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Firm Foundation said: The accusations towards us shows lack of substance from the other side which is very telling. You were asking about Butero. He does a weekly message on YouTube and links it at Narrow Way Forums in the church section. He covered all this in his message last night on topic of False Teachers. Lol I want to check that out. Maybe pm me a link. Our issues were mainly KJV onlyism. All the other issues are basically the same as you and I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saved34 Posted October 14, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,185 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 667 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/28/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/19/1971 Share Posted October 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Firm Foundation said: They repented. Oooh, I thought the Lord would not forgive willful sin, especially in light of your wrong interpretation of Hebrews 10:26. I do agree that they repented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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