Origin of life

[WayneB]

You claim that intellectual reality declares that the existence of God is a dubious thing, and I am saying quite the opposite.

I assume this is your opinion, because in the scientific community (as far as I know) YOUR claim is the one which is dubious.

Actually Foglight, this is no longer the case. Maybe it depends on the genre of science but in the medical profession and among biologists, there is a growing community who believe at least in "intelligent design". Actually, most medical practitioners I associate with are Christians through and through. They believe in God so strongly that many give up a month or more per year of their practice to go on medical missions.

You have indicated that is it intellectually more responsible to trust scientists, because after all, scientists have peer-review of the things they publish.

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying and history shows this to be true.

Therefore, it must be more reliable than all that nonsense written in the Bible so many thousands of years ago.

I never claimed this, mostly because the bible is not a scientific text. I don't consider anything in the bible to be nonsense.

Read the Bible a little closer Fog...especially Leviticus. So often folks confuse God's Word just as a bunch of rules for Holy living when rather HE is teaching us how to maintain perfect physical (and spiritual) health. Science is all through the Bible IF one looks close enough.

Take me from the abiotic to the biotic.  The ball is in your court.

I cannot effectively argue your question because I am not an expert in this area, therefore I leave it to the experts i.e. scientists. Is it your claim that the majority of scientists in your field agree with your statement "life as we know it emerging from a soup of amino acids and nucleotides is absolutely impossible."?

The argument we are having is different than your OP anyhow which is why I never responded to that question in the first place.

I will add however that from your position we shouldn't rely on what you say because scientists are corrupt and your claim to be a scientist.

Fog, just an observation. You seem to discount what Melo has said even though Melo has presented himself as a molecular biologist. He is a scientist. My son is a molecular biologist preparing to go to medical school. My wife is a medical practitioner. Are they not to be considered "competent" scientists because they believe in God?

The point is valid... people are people regardless of profession or degree of intelligence. AND people are corruptible... ALL people. That's all I think folks are trying to point out here.

May the Lord Bless you richly,

Wayne

[WayneB]

You are of course speaking from your own personal experience of who you know and not from any statistical fact correct?

Yup, aren't we all? Actually, I'm not sure there are any hardcore, verifiable, trustworthy statistics on the scientific community's views of God. My point from my experience and reading is that the genre of Science makes a difference. For instance, I wouldn't be surprised that most Astronomers would believe as Carl Sagan believed BUT most Biologists are coming to the realization that there is an intelligent design in creation. Regardless, we are ALL dealing with perceptions. Surveys are not always reliable.

Come on Wayne, let's not force a square peg... OK, please explain how Leviticus is scientific.

[WayneB]

Umm... no, not all of us. Some people actually like to know the truth, you obviously want to believe that "most Biologists are coming to the realization that there is an intelligent design in creation." regardless of the facts. I don't know if you are correct or not but neither do you so you should state that it is your opinion and not leave it to the reader to question it as I am.

Exactly... reread what I wrote and where I said my understanding was based on my reading and experience. I do not know the facts but nor do you.

BTW surveys CAN indeed be reliable, I don't know where you get this idea.

[WayneB]

I think we've run this one out Wayne. I feel good about our debate and I think we've each expressed our views about as well as we can. Thank you! 

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