We love to expose prechers, but, huh? Look @ this!

[yomotalking]

Matthew 7 v 1-5........

(I'd like you all to look it up yourself. It'll make good reading practice!! LOL )

So.....when we "expose" preachers, God warns us through His Word not to!!!

So........when people quote from other bits of the Bible, and say we should do that.....I think "Should we or shouldn't we? To me, "exposing" is "judgeing"....

Hmmmmm.....anyone?

Yomo

[Guest NewPilgrim]

Yomo, you should find this helpful and interesting:

Judge not?

Here is the conclusion/summary from that article (for more lethargic readers such as myself )

All greek words* in the following extract are translated into modern english bible versions as the word "Judge/Judgement"

Judge not? What does the Bible say?

We never judge from our opinions.

We are commanded to *anakrino -- we always seek to discern: "Is this of God, or is it of the flesh,or of the devil?"

We are commanded to *diakrino -- to render a decision as to whether something is morally right or wrong.

We do not *krisis -- the Lord alone decides who goes to heaven and who goes to hell.

We are sometimes appointed to *krites -- but we are to remember that the Lord is the Judge of all, and we are to judge righteously.

We never, ever, *hupo-krites -- before we take a speck out of our brother's eye, we make sure we do not have the same speck in our own eye.

We always *kritikos -- we draw on the Word of God to discern between the things of the soul and the things of the spirit.

by James Jacob Prasch (www.moriel.org)

As you specifically mention "exposing" preachers, here's what the same article says about false prophets:

Judging Prophecy

And let two or three prophets speak, and let the others [diakrino] pass judgement (1 Corinthians 14:29). We are commanded to judge prophecy.

But the prophet who shall speak a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he shall speak in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.

And you may say in your heart, "How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?"

When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken.

The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him (Deuteronomy 18:20-22).

Jeremiah 14 and Jeremiah 28 says the same thing. Jesus warned that there would be many false prophets in the last days.

We do not stone them to death any more, but the sin is no less serious. They shall die if they do not repent.

We are not under the law, but under grace; but their "ministries" should be stoned. 1 Corinthians 14:29 does not say that we are entitled to diakrino prophets or prophecies, rather we ar commanded to judge prophets andprophecies.

On this basis, Rodney Howard Browne is a false prophet. On this basis, John Wimber was a false prophet. On this basis, Rick Joyner is a false prophet. And on this basis, Paul Cain is a false prophet.

Now, that is not my judgement. I cannot krino anybody. The things that God has said will krino. I have to anakrino. I have to discern. Is this of God or is this of man?

No, it is not for me to judge. I have to diakrino, render a decision on whether it is morally right or wrong, by biblical standards.

The founders of the Mormon cult and the Jehovah Witnesses were false prophets; they predicted things that failed to happen. The Roman Catholic nun, Lucia, from Fatima, in Portugal, is a false prophet; she predicted things that failed to happen. John Wimber and Paul Cain and Rick Joyner (as well as John Kilpatrick, Michael Brown and Gerald Coates) are false prophets; they predicted things that failed to happen.

Do I have the right to say that? No, not the right, but the responsibility to say it, the command from my God in heaven to say it. That is not my judgment; it is what God says about these people.

Jesus said, "If you love me, keep my commandments." If you fail to diakrino, you are failing to keep His commandments. If you fail to diakrino, you will let these same people go on giving people "words" from their own flesh or from Satan. People like that should be brought to account.

Edited June 29, 2005 by NewPilgrim

[yomotalking]

It is obvious you are a Strict Baptist, and a "Carismactic lambaster", for you gave me a link and a Live Preach to listen to, that completely lambasts the Carismactic church, even though the man on there says he is "Pentecostal"!!!!!

I am listening to it.....hmmmmmm.........

[apothanein kerdos]

When encountering Cerinthus at a bathhouse John (the disciple) turned around and told Polycarp (his disciple),

[Guest NewPilgrim]

Your radar is a little off Yomo, if anything, I'm evangelical. And I dont consider anything to be "Lambastic" if its based in truth and wisdom

If you think the Charismatic church is represented entirely by four men [edit - SIX, my math is terrible today!], then I guess they really do have their claws into you. Prasch also, rather generously, forgot to mention Benny Hinn.

Define "Pentecostal", I thought it was more than just the signs and wonders movement.

Edited June 29, 2005 by NewPilgrim

[yomotalking]

All I know is, I got a link to a guy whose first proper speeches were smashing down the Charasmactic Church, and bashing poor people over the head with the Bible.

I thought that was a bit over the top, and I turned it off.

I don't mind my beliefs being smashed at, but to a certain point.

A message like that.....sorry...ummm.......no....

But I'm not rude...I listened to a lot!!!

Yomo

[Guest NewPilgrim]

did you bother to read the exposition too?

[apothanein kerdos]

Yomo, did you even read my post?

[yomotalking]

Yes I did.

Hey! A mo, (moment) please.

If we are talking about Judeging, then why was there a link to "let's bash C's?" type of Preach???

Ummmm....not meaning to get nasty, here.

I hate rows on Worthy...

I'm asking about, ok?

Yomo

[apothanein kerdos]

Matthew 7:1 is telling us not to krino, judge off apperance. This is why Jesus states the measure we judge by we ourselves will be judged by. It mentions nothing of fale prophets or exposing their teachings. if this was wrong, then we need to disregard the entire Gospel of John as well as 1 John because the intent behind John writing those was to discount Cerinthus' teachings.