Daniel Marsh Posted February 29, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 126 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,086 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 500 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/15/1956 Share Posted February 29, 2020 “So they tore down the altar, and stored the stones in a convenient place on the temple hill until there should come a prophet to tell what to do with them.” (1 Maccabees 4:45b-46). “Thus there was great distress in Israel, such as had not been since the time that prophets ceased to appear among them.” (1 Maccabees 9:27). “And the Jews and their priests decided that Simon should be their leader and high priest for ever, until a trustworthy prophet should arise…” (1 Maccabees 14:41). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Marsh Posted February 29, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 126 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,086 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 500 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/15/1956 Share Posted February 29, 2020 I forget if it was Josephus or Philo that lists only 22 books in the Hebrew Scriptures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis1209 Posted February 29, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 347 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,467 Content Per Day: 2.70 Reputation: 5,378 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/27/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted February 29, 2020 12 hours ago, Daniel Marsh said: Is it true that the Essenes deny that the Messiah is divine? Short answer; I don't know. I've forgotten a lot of what I've studied. I do remember reading some scholarly work that made a case that John the Baptist was associated with or a member of the Essenes. I don't know if that's true either; but if it is a historical fact, I wouldn't think they would have denied the divinity of Christ as the Sadducees and Pharisee's did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted February 29, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,605 Content Per Day: 3.97 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted February 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said: Short answer; I don't know. I've forgotten a lot of what I've studied. I do remember reading some scholarly work that made a case that John the Baptist was associated with or a member of the Essenes. I don't know if that's true either; but if it is a historical fact, I wouldn't think they would have denied the divinity of Christ as the Sadducees and Pharisee's did? The Essenes formed because they thought the Pharisees had lost the plot. Most of our good modern scriptures include some of the Qumran texts. They have been shown to be very accurate. They also had pre-doctored copies of the Masoretic and LXX texts. Some of the commentaries by Essene scribes are good as well. They were devoted and very conservative mostly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Marsh Posted February 29, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 126 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,086 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 500 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/15/1956 Share Posted February 29, 2020 1 Timothy 4: 3 King James Version (KJV) 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. Ah So, that is who Paul had in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Marsh Posted February 29, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 126 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,086 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 500 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/15/1956 Share Posted February 29, 2020 Death at the Dead Sea By Konstantinos Politis included 5,000 graves most were families. So, the Essenes must have been a small group of all men, who forbid marriage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Marsh Posted February 29, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 126 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,086 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 500 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/15/1956 Share Posted February 29, 2020 http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/5867-essenes Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful , and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Since they were breaking one of God's first laws.... what would you say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Marsh Posted February 29, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 126 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,086 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 500 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/15/1956 Share Posted February 29, 2020 17 hours ago, Daniel Marsh said: Is it true that the Essenes deny that the Messiah is divine? I think I may have them confused with the Ebionites on this question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonardo Von Posted September 24, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 1,265 Topics Per Day: 0.44 Content Count: 2,637 Content Per Day: 0.92 Reputation: 760 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/06/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/04/1972 Share Posted September 24, 2021 Quote Why does the Catholic Church recognize books not recognized by Protestants? I believe that, in the beginning, they desired to be different from the Jews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted September 24, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,183 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,459 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Online Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted September 24, 2021 On 1/22/2020 at 5:40 AM, Guest K9Buck said: May God forgive me for asking, but why did God allow this to become so convoluted? One of the main tenants of rightly dividing The Word of God is that God is not responsible for any of this confusion -for sin itself produces it: Isa 45:15-19 15 Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour. 16 They shall be ashamed, and also confounded, all of them: they shall go to confusion together that are makers of idols. 17 But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end. 18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else. 19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right. KJV Thus there exist only one source of written truth -God's Word- John 17:14-20 14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. 19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. 20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; KJV So to answer your question by God giving us His Word and The Holy Spirit to those born of God as Overseer and Teacher we are without excuse to not rightly divide His Word... yet this truth tells us why the confusion James 3:10-17 10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be. 11 Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? 12 Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh. 13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. 15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. 16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. 17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. KJV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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