johnthebaptist Posted March 26, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.30 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted March 26, 2020 57 minutes ago, Behold said: You've heard of the "Holy Ghost"? So, when we are talking about God, who exists outside of time, and outside of our Natural Realm,... then we are talking about "extra" or "above" the natural law, which would be "super"....in that context. A miracle, is God setting aside the natural realm, and the natural law, and stepping into the situation "super" naturally. Another way to think of the setting aside of the Natural realml is to "Supersede" it by a Higher Power and authority. So, if God , as you say ..."made HIS Presence" known to you, then God, who is not a part of our natural realm, certainly did something for you that is "super" natural. Ok then. Yes, I've heard of the Holy Ghost. It was the Holy Ghost who made me aware of God's presence - I believe God to be the Holy Ghost, or "Holy Spirit," as I think he is better known today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiards Ball Posted March 26, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,502 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 662 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted March 26, 2020 20 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said: Jesus doesn't make you perfect - he shows you how. Jesus didn't die on the cross to perfect us? For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. - 2 Cor 5:21 Since you disbelieve 2 Cor, H-O-W can I become perfect? I want to go to Heaven, not Hell. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted March 26, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.30 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted March 26, 2020 13 minutes ago, Billiards Ball said: Jesus didn't die on the cross to perfect us? For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. - 2 Cor 5:21 Since you disbelieve 2 Cor, H-O-W can I become perfect? I want to go to Heaven, not Hell. Thank you. He died on the cross to save us from our sins. We have to learn to resist temptation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behold Posted March 26, 2020 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 7 Topic Count: 87 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,795 Content Per Day: 1.34 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 3 Joined: 07/30/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted March 26, 2020 1 minute ago, johnthebaptist said: He died on the cross to save us from our sins. We have to learn to resist temptation. How do you resist temptation? What do you think is the best way to do it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted March 26, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.30 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted March 26, 2020 16 minutes ago, Behold said: How do you resist temptation? What do you think is the best way to do it? How do I resist temptation? Obey the commandments. What do I think is the best way to do it? Well, sometimes I need the Lord's help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiards Ball Posted March 26, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,502 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 662 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted March 26, 2020 54 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said: He died on the cross to save us from our sins. We have to learn to resist temptation. When I don't resist temptation, that is sin, as you wrote, He died on the cross to save us from our sin. So I'm okay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted March 26, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.30 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted March 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Billiards Ball said: When I don't resist temptation, that is sin, as you wrote, He died on the cross to save us from our sin. So I'm okay? Well, when you sin, trouble enters your life. It would seem to me, then, it's better not to sin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiards Ball Posted March 27, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,502 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 662 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted March 27, 2020 13 hours ago, johnthebaptist said: Well, when you sin, trouble enters your life. It would seem to me, then, it's better not to sin. Agreed, however, I'm not talking about the consequences of sin (Jesus saved me), but my power over sin. Any Christian who says they NEVER sin is a liar and does not have Jesus (1 John). Sinless perfection is not only a poor doctrine, it's a very rare doctrine, since most born agains see they stumble sometimes, one reason we go to church fellowship! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted March 27, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.30 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted March 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Billiards Ball said: Agreed, however, I'm not talking about the consequences of sin (Jesus saved me), but my power over sin. Any Christian who says they NEVER sin is a liar and does not have Jesus (1 John). Sinless perfection is not only a poor doctrine, it's a very rare doctrine, since most born agains see they stumble sometimes, one reason we go to church fellowship! I disagree. We've all sinned, but Jesus commanded us to repent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiards Ball Posted March 27, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,502 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 662 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted March 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said: I disagree. We've all sinned, but Jesus commanded us to repent. Godly repentance leads to salvation. I repented years ago, and was born again. Now when I sin, I can repent or not repent, but remain saved, because only imperfect saints will be perfected when we meet Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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