Dennis1209 Posted March 14, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 347 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,468 Content Per Day: 2.70 Reputation: 5,379 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/27/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted March 14, 2020 A pre-tribulation discussion: A careful study of the book of Daniel and Revelation makes me question my long held thoughts about the timing of some events. The Rapture doesn't trigger the immediate start of the tribulation, the confirming of a seven year peace agreement with Israel and the many by the Antichrist does. It now appears to me, there well may be a period of unspecified time between the Rapture and start of the tribulation. Where does it say or imply any or all the seal judgments are confined to the tribulation period? Some, most or all of them appears they could occur between the Rapture and tribulation, given the sequence of events and the Antichrist coming into his own? Revelation 6:9 (KJV) And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? [emphasis added] If these martyred Saints are in the tribulation period; they wouldn't need to ask 'how long', as just like you and I, they would know by scripture to the day how long before Christ's second coming. I believe the following verse is talking about their breathern, the tribulation Saints. Revelation 6:11 (KJV) And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. [emphasis added] Therefore; could we be seeing the 'birth pangs' about to start in earnest, if this speculation and hermeneutic view is accurate? Thoughts?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revelation Man Posted March 16, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 4,072 Content Per Day: 1.41 Reputation: 552 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/01/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted March 16, 2020 On 3/14/2020 at 6:28 PM, Dennis1209 said: A careful study of the book of Daniel and Revelation makes me question my long held thoughts about the timing of some events. The Rapture doesn't trigger the immediate start of the tribulation, the confirming of a seven year peace agreement with Israel and the many by the Antichrist does. It now appears to me, there well may be a period of unspecified time between the Rapture and start of the tribulation. Well you are pretty much ON POINT here, however the 7 Year deals are already in place between the E.U. and THE MANY + Israel. Its called the European Neighborhood Policy.....ITS IN 7 YEAR DEALS AS WE SPEAK. So. I would image as soon as the Rapture happens this Anti-Christ will REAFFIRM, with his own TWIST these 7 year Deals, then after 3.5 years he will renege on these agreements. On 3/14/2020 at 6:28 PM, Dennis1209 said: Where does it say or imply any or all the seal judgments are confined to the tribulation period? Some, most or all of them appears they could occur between the Rapture and tribulation, given the sequence of events and the Antichrist coming into his own? He BREAKS his Agreements/Covenants in the MIDDLE OF THE WEEK.....Dan. 9:27. He destroys BY PEACE Dan. 8:25. Its clear the Seals are OPENED at the Midway point. Everything in the book of Revelation REVOLVES around Daniels 1260 in Daniel 12, Jesus gave us this KEY {Man in Linen}. Once one learns this he learns all of Prophecy IMHO, so go look at Daniel 12:7, LOOK REAL GOOD !! Once the holy peoples are CONQUERED, there will be a Time, Times and Half [time] or 1260 days until all these Wonders End {Via the Second Coming} so that TELLS US FOR SURE......100 Percent, that the First Seal is Opened on day 1261 out of the 2520 days of a 7 year period called the 70th Week. Thus this man has 1260 days to RULE as the Beast !! Its an easy find and read. Its not so easy to analyze, but God's revelation unto us makes it easy pickings. Then we get the 1290 and 1335, and pretty much no one gets it, EVERYTHING is Backwards from how they think, they don'tb think to analyze it like the TIME, TIMES and HALF, or 1260, which is 1260 days from SAID EVENT until the Second Coming Ends these wonders, they go off on their own understandings, BUT, God's Symmetry is always perfect, Hes not changing His Symmetry. The 1290 and 1335 are also a SET NUMBER OF DAYS.......Until all these Wonders End via Jesus' Second Coming !! So the 1290 happens BEFORE the 1260 Conquering of Israel, AND the 1335 happens before BOTH OF THEM !! The False Prophet is the 1290 Event. he is the one that forbids Jesus Worship {takes away THE SACRIFICE} by the Jews who Repented {1/3 Repent see Zechariah 13:8-9}. Then he places an IMAGE of the E.U. President {Beast} in the Temple of God {See Rev. 13...It says this happens} and Demands that all men worship this Image or DIE. Well who has this Power ? A Jewish High Priest, of course. Hes like unto Jason under Antiochus. FRICK & FRACK. We have been give a TYPE of this Dynamic Duo in History !! So the Jews are already Repented by then huh ? Where does it say that ? Malachi 4:5-6 says that Elijah will be sent back BEFORE the Day of the Lord {1260 Event} to turn Israel back unto God !! This would be THE BLESSING of the 1335, which happens 45 days before the AoD and 75 days before the 1260 Event. Does this match Biblical timing ? YES....Notice the Two-witnesses DIES before the Beast dies ? Well, if both have OFFICES on earth for 1260 days and the Two-witnesses DIE before the Beast dies, that means their OFFICES had to start before his did at the 1260 Conquering of Jerusalem/Israel/MANY Nations. On 3/14/2020 at 6:28 PM, Dennis1209 said: Revelation 6:9 (KJV) And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? [emphasis added] If these martyred Saints are in the tribulation period; they wouldn't need to ask 'how long', as just like you and I, they would know by scripture to the day how long before Christ's second coming. I believe the following verse is talking about their breathern, the tribulation Saints. Revelation 6:11 (KJV) And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. [emphasis added] Therefore; could we be seeing the 'birth pangs' about to start in earnest, if this speculation and hermeneutic view is accurate? Thoughts?? They are DEAD, their Concept of time vanishes in the Spiritual realm, they don't see sunrises and sunsets. This means they have to wait until the Beasts 42 Month rule of terror is over, OF COURSE, before they are raised and Judged, see Rev. 20:4, ONLY the ones who died as Martyrs by REFUSING the Mark of the Beast live and reign on earth with Christ for 1000 years, those Raptured pre 70th week seems to go back to Heaven, probably working on the New Jerusalem, seeing as its called the Bride when it descends !! Amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcdef Posted March 19, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,405 Content Per Day: 0.94 Reputation: 135 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/19/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/14/1951 Share Posted March 19, 2020 It is good that you question things. The Bible has the answers, we just have to ask the right questions, to know what the answers mean. In Daniel 2, the statue showing the gentile nations that rule over Israel and Jerusalem, shows the power of the iron legs/feet nation diminishing. The Roman iron nation starts strong, but over time loses power, becomes divided, divided by the clay, then divided again into ten smaller toes. Then the toes end when Jerusalem is restored to Israel. The diminishing of Roman/iron power over Israel and Jerusalem until the toes end is contrary to what is a popular teaching now. Many say that the ten toe period is where the planet is one "nation" ruled by the Antichrist, but the statue shows just the opposite. The toes do not reunify together and become as large as they were at the beginning of the iron. Consider this, in Daniel 2:39, it says that the nation of brass shall, "... bear rule over all the earth." But then, Greece didn't rule the whole planet, did they? But Greece did rule the whole earth of Israel. The statue shows the power of Rome over Israel growing smaller, dividing, and ending, not coming back together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis1209 Posted March 19, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 347 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,468 Content Per Day: 2.70 Reputation: 5,379 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/27/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 19, 2020 2 hours ago, abcdef said: It is good that you question things. The Bible has the answers, we just have to ask the right questions, to know what the answers mean. In Daniel 2, the statue showing the gentile nations that rule over Israel and Jerusalem, shows the power of the iron legs/feet nation diminishing. The Roman iron nation starts strong, but over time loses power, becomes divided, divided by the clay, then divided again into ten smaller toes. Then the toes end when Jerusalem is restored to Israel. The diminishing of Roman/iron power over Israel and Jerusalem until the toes end is contrary to what is a popular teaching now. Many say that the ten toe period is where the planet is one "nation" ruled by the Antichrist, but the statue shows just the opposite. The toes do not reunify together and become as large as they were at the beginning of the iron. Consider this, in Daniel 2:39, it says that the nation of brass shall, "... bear rule over all the earth." But then, Greece didn't rule the whole planet, did they? But Greece did rule the whole earth of Israel. The statue shows the power of Rome over Israel growing smaller, dividing, and ending, not coming back together. It would be too long for me to describe and detail my thoughts on Nebuchadnezzar's image, and the two legs of iron, and ten toes of iron mixed with miry clay, partly strong and partly weak. Suffice it to say, there's a bunch of considerations to deal with prophetically, such as... Which leg of the Roman empire; the Western [circa 5th century] or the Eastern [circa 15th century]. Another consideration; did the Roman Empire completely end? Considering the Roman Catholic Church stepped in and took over, with a current estimated 1.6 billion adherents, the globes largest and richest religion? I don't hold this view but, some make a very good argument the two legs on Nebuchadnezzar's statue could be the two divisions of Islam [Shia & Sunni], and the five toes the five pillars of Islam? I still hold on to the classic conservative biblical views myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Light Posted March 19, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,078 Content Per Day: 1.11 Reputation: 201 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/17/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted March 19, 2020 On 3/14/2020 at 6:28 PM, Dennis1209 said: A pre-tribulation discussion: Where does it say or imply any or all the seal judgments are confined to the tribulation period? Some, most or all of them appears they could occur between the Rapture and tribulation, given the sequence of events and the Antichrist coming into his own? The tribulation is over just before the 6th seal is opened. Matt 24 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Rev 6 12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: The 7th seal is the wrath of God which occurs after the tribulation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcdef Posted March 19, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,405 Content Per Day: 0.94 Reputation: 135 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/19/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/14/1951 Share Posted March 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said: It would be too long for me to describe and detail my thoughts on Nebuchadnezzar's image, and the two legs of iron, and ten toes of iron mixed with miry clay, partly strong and partly weak. Suffice it to say, there's a bunch of considerations to deal with prophetically, such as... Which leg of the Roman empire; the Western [circa 5th century] or the Eastern [circa 15th century]. Another consideration; did the Roman Empire completely end? Considering the Roman Catholic Church stepped in and took over, with a current estimated 1.6 billion adherents, the globes largest and richest religion? I don't hold this view but, some make a very good argument the two legs on Nebuchadnezzar's statue could be the two divisions of Islam [Shia & Sunni], and the five toes the five pillars of Islam? I still hold on to the classic conservative biblical views myself. Hi Dennis1209, I'm glad you know your prophecy. The iron is the Roman Empire. It begins with the invasion of Rome. The iron nation remains the same but divided. The Eastern part is separate but still part of the Roman Empire. The iron ends when Jerusalem is restored to Israel. The iron cannot be Islam when it shows no change in the iron material as it did with Babylon, Persia, and Greece. --------- The Roman Empire ended, but the image of the Empire remains. The beast is Rome and Caesar, but the beast has lost power and now is only an image of it's former self. The form of Caesar worship still exists. See how the iron nation does not stop and then begin again. It is one continual timeline with no breaks. -------- Anyone who says that we are in the iron time period must answer these questions. Who was the iron nation 1000 yrs ago? Who was the iron nation 200 yrs ago? Who is the iron nation right now? Who is the leader, of the iron nation right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis1209 Posted March 19, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 347 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,468 Content Per Day: 2.70 Reputation: 5,379 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/27/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 19, 2020 13 minutes ago, abcdef said: Hi Dennis1209, I'm glad you know your prophecy. The iron is the Roman Empire. It begins with the invasion of Rome. The iron nation remains the same but divided. The Eastern part is separate but still part of the Roman Empire. The iron ends when Jerusalem is restored to Israel. The iron cannot be Islam when it shows no change in the iron material as it did with Babylon, Persia, and Greece. --------- The Roman Empire ended, but the image of the Empire remains. The beast is Rome and Caesar, but the beast has lost power and now is only an image of it's former self. The form of Caesar worship still exists. See how the iron nation does not stop and then begin again. It is one continual timeline with no breaks. -------- Anyone who says that we are in the iron time period must answer these questions. Who was the iron nation 1000 yrs ago? Who was the iron nation 200 yrs ago? Who is the iron nation right now? Who is the leader, of the iron nation right now? I didn't even mention a bunch of things; such as... The Vatican is considered a nation of its own [with big thick walls. Tear down those walls Mr. Pope]. It holds a non voting seat with the United Nations. The Pope and his unprecedented ecumenical movement to bring the 'protesters' and every other religion back to the 'one true church' is succeeding. This Pope Francis is a globalist communist and spouting very bizarre statements, too numerous to mention. He is a active political Pope whom spends his time and efforts with socialist propaganda, and few religious matters. I've asked myself; what would the end-time false one world religion be doing and saying in preparation and anticipation of the False Prophet? If it looks like a duck, waddles like a duck, quacks like a duck; it's not an elephant. The European nations are in an economic, political and migration crisis, and screaming for a deliverer. They are now loosely associated together with the same currency and open borders. They are partly strong and partly weak because the majority of their citizens don't want a European confederation, but their one world global leaders know what best for them. Everything is shaping up by the day. At present, it could be viewed and said; the United Nations represents the 'world' and its will. Then whom would be the most powerful single individual on earth, if the United States was toppled somehow or the Rapture would occur? The Secretary General of the United Nations. I'm wondering what part the UN is going to play in end-time events? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcdef Posted March 19, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,405 Content Per Day: 0.94 Reputation: 135 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/19/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/14/1951 Share Posted March 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said: I didn't even mention a bunch of things; such as... The Vatican is considered a nation of its own [with big thick walls. Tear down those walls Mr. Pope]. It holds a non voting seat with the United Nations. The Pope and his unprecedented ecumenical movement to bring the 'protesters' and every other religion back to the 'one true church' is succeeding. This Pope Francis is a globalist communist and spouting very bizarre statements, too numerous to mention. He is a active political Pope whom spends his time and efforts with socialist propaganda, and few religious matters. I've asked myself; what would the end-time false one world religion be doing and saying in preparation and anticipation of the False Prophet? If it looks like a duck, waddles like a duck, quacks like a duck; it's not an elephant. The European nations are in an economic, political and migration crisis, and screaming for a deliverer. They are now loosely associated together with the same currency and open borders. They are partly strong and partly weak because the majority of their citizens don't want a European confederation, but their one world global leaders know what best for them. Everything is shaping up by the day. At present, it could be viewed and said; the United Nations represents the 'world' and its will. Then whom would be the most powerful single individual on earth, if the United States was toppled somehow or the Rapture would occur? The Secretary General of the United Nations. I'm wondering what part the UN is going to play in end-time events? The 10 nation division is not literal. "10" is symbolic of complete division. The "10" do not reunite, the statue shows that. They get weaker, are divided, and divided by the clay. They do not come back together and rule as shown in the beginning of the iron. The statue proves who the iron is and who it's leader is. ----- Who was the iron nation 200 yrs ago? There is only one answer. But for some reason......people do not want to say it. He has ruled and attacked Israel for the last 2000 yrs.. ---------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcdef Posted March 19, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,405 Content Per Day: 0.94 Reputation: 135 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/19/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/14/1951 Share Posted March 19, 2020 3 hours ago, Oseas Ramos de Siqueira said: As we know, the hours have gone far enough, actually it is very later, it is better to interpret Daniel 2:v.44-45, what you think? 44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. 45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure. Revelation 11:v.15 & 18: verse 15 - The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the KINGDOMS OF OUR LORD and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever. Matthew 5:v.5 - 5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. verse 18 - And the NATIONS WERE ANGRY,(yeah, the nations will be angry) and the God's wrath is come (God's wrath is already falling upon the nations because the KINGDOMS of this world are become the KINGDOMS of God), and the time of the dead, that they should be JUDGED, and God should give reward unto His servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear His name, small and great -Aleluiaaaa!!!- ; and should destroy them which destroy the earth. Mat.24:v.3 - LORD, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the SIGN of thy coming? And of the end of the world? In fulfilment of Habakkuk 3:v.5, the LORD revealed that in His coming goes before Him the PESTILENCE -Matthew 24:v.7. The people of God, the Christian people or believers in JESUS, MUST see that this PROPHECY is already being fulfilled LITERALLY, and as a consuming FIRE the Word of God IS FALLING UPON ALL THE NATIONS, upon all the inhabitants of the earth, burning them all as was in Sodom and Gomorrah. But there will be more great punishments against the world of Devil, full of idolatries, and sorceries, apostasies, and so on, and the people of God, the Christian people or believers in JESUS, MUST be ready because there will be FAMINE a lot upon the earth from now on, and although it be so terrible, these things are only the beginning of sorrows. There will be others signs more terrible yet. These signs and others destroyers signs that will be happened from now on, it needs to be understood by the people of God as a harbinger of the coming of JESUS. Now He really is at the door or His return is very near. This new decade is significative for the Great Event of JESUS's coming. Aleluiaaaa!!! Awake. Awake and be ready. The stone strikes the statue after Jerusalem is restored to Israel, after the toes end. Israel was restored to complete military control of Jerusalem in 1967. It has been over 50 years since then. ----- The kingdom on earth began on the day of Pentecost. This is shown on the statue (Dan. 2) as the organs of reproduction. The destruction of 70 AD Jerusalem is shown as the organs of discharge. Both of these events are shown to occur before the division of the legs which is generally accepted as the 3rd century division of the Roman Empire into east and west. The stone is Jesus. But the kingdom started before the division of the legs. According to Dan. 2:44 the kingdom breaks the statue into pieces and consumes the statue, that is, it causes the breaks in the legs and toes and divisions in the statue. This is the result of the gospel being preached among the gentile nations, the kingdom "consuming" the statue while it is standing. ----- When the stone strikes, this is a different kind of "breaking." This stone striking shows the statue broken down into it's smallest particles, the human souls. The chaff blows away, no place is found for them v 35, (Rev 20:11). The wheat enters into the new earth (Rev21:1). This is the same sequence as the Revelation 20 events. ------ The stone is about to strike, Jesus is coming. The stone striking and the 7th trumpet are the same event. When the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of our Lord. The events symbolized around these time periods are the clues to knowing when Jesus will appear for the kingdom. Israel is surrounded. Jerusalem is surrounded. The kings of the east (Iran) are crossing the Euphrates and attacking Israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcdef Posted March 20, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,405 Content Per Day: 0.94 Reputation: 135 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/19/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/14/1951 Share Posted March 20, 2020 20 minutes ago, Oseas Ramos de Siqueira said: Daniel 2:v.32-33 32 This image's head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass, 33 His legs of iron(important detail:TWO LEGS),his feet part of iron and part of clay. My post will be focusing on the legs, two legs, evidently. We know that Rome, or Roman Empire, was the fourth Beast upon the earth or the fourth kingdom, which was diverse from all kingdoms, devouring the whole earth and tread it down, and broking it in pieces. Daniel, the prophet, revealed these things . Daniel 2:v.40 and 7:v.23 TWO LEGS What was and is revealed by Daniel fulfilled itself LITERALLY, and here I want to highlight the prophecy about the TWO LEGS specifically. THE TWO PARTS OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE AS WAS PROPHESIED : Two legs mean that the same kingdom will at some point split into TWO PARTS, as it actually happened, as follows: 1 - The Roman Empire of Western, endured from 395BC-476AD; 2 - The Bizantine Roman Empire endured from 330AD-1.453AD --->Both kingdoms were already DISSOLVED completely, EXCEPT its religious systems which remains until this present time of Apocalypse, right? Practically both empires were politically and militarily dissolved AND THEIR INHABITANTS spread among nations, both empires were TRANSFORMED into A SPECIFIC religious Powers until today. The next point of prophecy to be fulfilled IN OUR DAYS, ABOUT THE EXTINT ROMAN EMPIRE, is written in the verses 41 to 43. The verses 44-45 is about the KINGDOM of God which will be established from now on. Revelation 11:v.15 The religious system that remains from the Roman Empire is the earthbeast. The system of Roman Caesar worship continues to this day. The time of the Iron Roman power over Jerusalem and Israel has ended, 1967. The Vatican can no longer attack Israel in Jerusalem since the restoration of complete military control to Israel. The terrible things described about the Roman domination already happened to Israel in the past 70 AD-1967. ----------- What is happening now, is that the Roman beast has deceived the kings of the east (Iran), into attacking Jerusalem and destroying Israel. The kings of the east are attacking Israel right now and Israel is fighting back. You see, just before the 7th trumpet, at the 6th trumpet, the winds of destruction (armies) cross the Euphrates river headed for Jerusalem. ---------- The stone is not the kingdom. The stone ends the kingdom on this planet by the power of Jesus. The kingdom was established on Pentecost during the time after the Roman iron legs begin. The kingdom after the stone strikes is the kingdom of the new earth in heaven after the the judgement. Rev 21:1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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