Jesus' sin nature

[Trektiger Jack]

Halifaxchristian

When studying the doctrine of Christ there is a topic called - "The Kenosis" - literally emptying of Himself. It involves the veiling of Jesus' preincarnate glory, His condescension in taking the likeness of sinful flesh in the incarnation and His voluntary nonuse of certain attributes during His early life.

Jesus did not die spiritually. How could He? He was and is God. The Bible tells us He was our sin barer. If Jesus had had a sin-nature such as we, then on what basis could the Father forgive Him (Jesus)? There would be no Savior or sin-barer for Him for the forgiveness of sin.

Forgive my belaboring your question, but 2 Corinthians 5:12 is the heart of the gospel - the sinless Savior Jesus has taken ours sins upon Himself (bore them in His flesh) at that horrible and cruel cross that we might have God's righteousness! Praise God He did!!!

[halifaxchristian]

I am NOT, IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM calling Jesus a sinner. I rebuke anyone that accuses me of such. NEVER would I say that of my Lord and Saviour!!!!! heresy indeed. However, I do believe that Jesus took on a body just like you and I. His flesh experienced exactly what we experience also...hunger, thirst, etc. He bore our sins in His own BODY on the tree. We are redeemed through the blood of Christ by the Eternal Spirit offered up, as Hebrews expresses. I believe that Jesus took on our sinful flesh, and by doing so condemned sin in flesh through His perfect and eternal Spirit that resided inside. Jesus did not sin...never may it be! But He loved us so much He became us...He became sin in the flesh, remained sinless in Spirit and in deed, fulfilled the Law, and was our one and only Sacrifice giving those who believe eternal life. I do not believe I am a heretic. The Son of David, the seed of Abraham...that's Who Jesus became in body. The Father of us all He is in Spirit. God bless.

[Kabowd]

I am NOT, IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM calling Jesus a sinner.  I rebuke anyone that accuses me of such.  NEVER would I say that of my Lord and Saviour!!!!!  heresy indeed.  However, I do believe that Jesus took on a body just like you and I.  His flesh experienced exactly what we experience also...hunger, thirst, etc.  He bore our sins in His own BODY on the tree.  We are redeemed through the blood of Christ by the Eternal Spirit offered up, as Hebrews expresses.  I believe that Jesus took on our sinful flesh, and by doing so condemned sin in flesh through His perfect and eternal Spirit that resided inside.  Jesus did not sin...never may it be!  But He loved us so much He became us...He became sin in the flesh, remained sinless in Spirit and in deed, fulfilled the Law, and was our one and only Sacrifice giving those who believe eternal life.  I do not believe I am a heretic.  The Son of David, the seed of Abraham...that's Who Jesus became in body.  The Father of us all He is in Spirit.  God bless.

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*ahem* It's the sin nature that makes us sinners. Before we ever commit a sin, we are sinners because of our nature. Thus, if you want to advocate that Christ had a sin nature, you are indeed calling Him a sinner by virtue of the sin nature. Don't get in a tiff because we called it what it is. You started the topic, deal with the responses.

[apothanein kerdos]

I am NOT, IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM calling Jesus a sinner.  I rebuke anyone that accuses me of such.  NEVER would I say that of my Lord and Saviour!!!!!  heresy indeed.  However, I do believe that Jesus took on a body just like you and I.  His flesh experienced exactly what we experience also...hunger, thirst, etc.  He bore our sins in His own BODY on the tree.  We are redeemed through the blood of Christ by the Eternal Spirit offered up, as Hebrews expresses.  I believe that Jesus took on our sinful flesh, and by doing so condemned sin in flesh through His perfect and eternal Spirit that resided inside.  Jesus did not sin...never may it be!  But He loved us so much He became us...He became sin in the flesh, remained sinless in Spirit and in deed, fulfilled the Law, and was our one and only Sacrifice giving those who believe eternal life.  I do not believe I am a heretic.  The Son of David, the seed of Abraham...that's Who Jesus became in body.  The Father of us all He is in Spirit.  God bless.

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That's a gnostic belief. The belief that the sin nature is found in the flesh. Flesh is pure until the spirit begins to do its thing (this is where the sin nature is found, manifested in the flesh). Let me tell you, what you are teaching IS HERESY and was labeled as such by the early church.

The gnostics taught that JEsus was sinful because He had flesh, however His Spirit (which inhabited Him and was not born with) remained perfect. It's a heretical belief. JEsus Christ was born in the flesh and remained perfect, holding no sin nature (for to hold a sin nature, one must actually sin) and took on the sins of the world, became the sacrifise, and died in perfection. In flesh and in spirit Christ was perfect.

I pray this topic be closed, for an enemy of truth is within it.

[halifaxchristian]

Tess, your wording could use a little bit more love and patience. I am a true believer in Jesus and I believe in His full Deity and Manhood as you do. Perhaps I am confused over this "sin nature" issue and if I am I want to be corrected. I do not stand in error over any Biblical topic on purpose. My desire is to be fully in harmony with the Word of God in all aspects. I do not believe that because Jesus had a sin nature in the FLESH means that He had a sinful SPIRIT. How can you possibly make that corelation using Scripture. We, as Christians, are told to walk in the Spirit and not in the flesh. The two are SEPARATE. Seek and ye shall find. God bless.

p.s. I once UNWITTINGLY believed that Jesus somehow died spiritually, which I now reject. God led me to the truth concerning that issue. I will do the same in this instance if I believe the Holy Spirit bears me witness to do so. however, I fully am convicted that Jesus had a body just like you and I...THAT'S LOVE.

[apothanein kerdos]

Halifax, the flesh in scripture is ALWAYS in reference to the sinful morals of the world.

"Flesh" is not in reference to the ontological flesh but the ehtical flesh. If flesh is evil then God is evil.

[halifaxchristian]

I beg one not to close this issue. I want to know the truth. If I am in error and holding gnostic (non-Christian) beliefs then I certainly want that to change. However, without the support of Scripture and a full understanding led by the Spirit of God, I cannot change my stance here. You believe that Jesus took on sin in His flesh at some point don't you? How does that differ from what I believe in essence? The timeframe seems the only substantial variable here. Please help me out on this I pray, in Jesus' precious name.

Michael.

[halifaxchristian]

Paul said that in his flesh dwells no good thing. I believe that the flesh doesn not mean morals at all. We are told not to fulfill the lusts of the flesh. We can walk in the Spirit and not in the flesh. What is the problem with that Biblical reasoning??? Please be patient with me as I am with you. God bless.

p.s. lets show some fruits of the Spirit here people. Remember...I believe that Jesus is God too. He never sinned. He was perfect. We have the essentials in common. Let's iron out the wrinkles together.

[apothanein kerdos]

I beg one not to close this issue.  I want to know the truth.  If I am in error and holding gnostic (non-Christian) beliefs then I certainly want that to change.  However, without the support of Scripture and a full understanding led by the Spirit of God, I cannot change my stance here.  You believe that Jesus took on sin in His flesh at some point don't you?  How does that differ from what I believe in essence?  The timeframe seems the only substantial variable here.  Please help me out on this I pray, in Jesus' precious name.

Michael.

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Your reading the scriptures wrong. "Flesh" is not in refrence to sin.

Jesus did take on the sins of the world, this it not to mean He had a sin nature because or in His flesh (metaphysical). A sin nature means the nature to sin, the nature to act upon and have sin. When Jesus took on the sins of the world, this means that He became a sacrifice for them, He didn't literally become sinful. In flesh and spirit He remained perfect, never having a sin nature.

[Trinity]

Adam and Eve were not made with a Sin nature either!!!

Sin changed Mans essence, from good to evil. Nature means the inherent character or basic constitution of a person or thing. The reason we were born with a sin nature is, that we are of our Fathers nature.