Who are the fascists burning books?

[dhchristian]

Liberal fascism at work here.... a big Oye vey on this. Remember fascism is a leftist socialist political system. If you do not know your history you are doomed to repeat it.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/npr-contributor-pushes-modern-day-book-burning-remove-books-whites/

[shortangel]

I didn't even know this was happening   scary stuff,  & yes that's true history repeats itself

[LadyKay]

I don't see where he is saying "burn books".  Sounds to me like this article twisted what he actually said into something else.  Seems to me what he is saying is that "white people" need to read some books written by "back people". I do not see how that is a call to book burning.  And it is just one person's opinion . Just as people on this site often  give their  opinion on telling other Christians what books, music or movies they need to get rid of. They don't get called a "book burner" for doing that.  

Edited June 10, 2020 by LadyKay

[dhchristian]

14 minutes ago, LadyKay said:

I don't see where he is saying "burn books".  Sounds to me like this article twisted what he actually said into something else.  Seems to me what he is saying is that "white people" need to read some books written by "back people". I do not see how that is a call to book burning.  And it is just one person's opinion . Just as people on this site often  give their  opinion on telling other Christians what books, music or movies they need to get rid of. They don't get called a "book burner" for doing that.  

From the article:

The modern left has made it clear that they will stop at nothing and let no boundaries be broken or crossed in their lust for power and total control over the American people.

Consume the below quote from Minister of Propaganda Joseph Goebbels speech at one of the most iconic book burnings in Nazi Germany, hosted by the German Students Union in Berlin’s Opera Square.

Revolutions that are genuine stop at no boundaries. No area must remain untouched. Just as it revolutionizes people it also revolutionizes things. “Therefore, you are doing the right thing as you, at this midnight hour, surrender to the flames the evil spirit of the past. There the intellectual basis of the November Republic is crushed to the ground. But from the rubble will arise victoriously the Phoenix of a new spirit, a spirit that we carry forth, that we nourish and to which we give decisive weight.

19th century German-jewish poet Heinrich Heinie, who was the victim of book burnings of his and others work in his era, encapsulated what happens when you start burning books.

“Where they burn books, they will also ultimately burn people.”

Censorship of views by big media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter are akin to burning books... It is built on an intolerance of views differing one's own. While I as a Christian may not choose to read the books of say Steven King, I do not condone burning them, nor censoring them. This is the difference between freedom/ democracy and totalitarianism and this is where it starts. I am surprised, you as a liberal cannot digest this concept. Nazism is a socialist and leftist movement that teaches one race to hate all others. This is exactly what the left is trying to do in pitting one race vs. another, racism runs both ways, I Hope you are proud of what you are supporting because it is nothing more than totalitarianism, and not democracy. 

[teddyv]

The way that that Goebbels quote was formatted included some text that was not part of the quote. The quotation marks are correct, but the format suggests that the first three sentences are part of it.

[LadyKay]

33 minutes ago, dhchristian said:

Censorship of views by big media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter are akin to burning books...

Okay. Let me address these things. FB and Twitter are privit own sites. You have to follow their rules of the site which is lay out in their "term of services" if you want to be allowed to use their sites. This site WorthyChristians Forums has rules as well. (term of service) If I or anyone else here violate Worthy's Term of Servce rules. Post will be deleted, not approved, or the person posting can be ban from posting anymore comments to a threard. This is not book burning. Unless you want to accuse WorthyChristian site of the same  offence.  

 

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Consume the below quote from Minister of Propaganda Joseph Goebbels speech at one of the most iconic book burnings in Nazi Germany, hosted by the German Students Union in Berlin’s Opera Square.

Revolutions that are genuine stop at no boundaries. No area must remain untouched. Just as it revolutionizes people it also revolutionizes things. “Therefore, you are doing the right thing as you, at this midnight hour, surrender to the flames the evil spirit of the past. There the intellectual basis of the November Republic is crushed to the ground. But from the rubble will arise victoriously the Phoenix of a new spirit, a spirit that we carry forth, that we nourish and to which we give decisive weight.

It is true that Joseph Goebbels said these things in his speech at the book burning. But  Juan Vidal, which the article you posted seems to be about. Did not say these thing. Altough it appers that the writer of the artical has twisted things together to fool people into thinking that Juan Vidal, is saying these things and  is starting a book burning the same as was taking place in Nazie Germany.  This is what Juan Vidal said :

 

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Vidal: If you are white, take a moment to examine your bookshelf. What do you see? What books and authors have you allowed to influence your worldview, and how you process the issues of racism and prejudice toward the disenfranchised? Have you considered that, if you identify as white and read only the work of white authors, you are in some ways listening to an extension of your own voice on repeat?     Anti-racist books will only do a person good if they silence themselves first and enter into the reading — provided they care enough to do so.

I see no where in what Juan Vidal said that is calling for the burning of books of any kind.  I will post a link to the article that Juan Vidal wrote on the NPR site so that his own words can been read without the opinion of someone else twisting the meaning of what Juan Vidal was trying to get across. https://www.npr.org/2020/06/06/870910728/your-bookshelf-may-be-part-of-the-problem

Edited June 10, 2020 by LadyKay

[LadyKay]

47 minutes ago, DDisconnect said:

It's sayings like what Vidal says here that are racist in and of themselves. What does it matter if a book is written by a black or white person?

One thing I want to say though, and I don't wish to stir up trouble, but fascism is merely a word for a technique of acquiring authoritarianism, not necessarily right nor left. Anyone and everyone, left or right, who takes that belief to such fanatical extremes as silencing or killing people can be defined as a fascist. Thus why WWII Germans are also called fascists even though they are more accurately described as national socialists; fascism is merely authoritarianism. 

Neither the Italian fascists nor Germany's national socialists considered themselves left or right. There's an old WWII German propaganda poster you can find that says "Tod der luge" or "death of lies". It depicts a nazi strangling a snake marked with the words "Marximus" (Marxism, or communism) and "Hochfinanz" (High finance, or capitalism). Left and right, in other words. Thus WWII Germans viewed both left and right as snakes - liars and deceivers. Or in the case of Italy, they saw it more as a perfect mix of left and right, though their views were varied and messy (thus why the rug got pulled out from under Mussolini anyway, Italy was such a political and ideological mess). "Fascist" is little more than a buzzword these days. It's on the same level as describing anything as "literally Hitler". It's just a bad thing and so all the bad things in the individual's view are "fascist" and "literally Hitler". It's flung around so loosely and casually and often without any actual understanding of what it is exactly.

Again, I don't say this to stir up trouble. It's just a bit of a peeve of mine. You're not wrong in that it involves wanting to silence others. Heck, Hitler and his cronies wanted to abolish the Old Testament from the Bible because it was "too twisted by the Jews".

Here is a link to what Juan Vidal wrote in his  article for NPR  https://www.npr.org/2020/06/06/870910728/your-bookshelf-may-be-part-of-the-problem    You can then decided if you agree or disagree with what he said using your own mind instead of going on someone's elses opinion telling you what to think. 

[LadyKay]

1 hour ago, shortangel said:

I didn't even know this was happening   scary stuff,  & yes that's true history repeats itself

It isn't happening. The writer of the article has twisted things together to fool people into thinking something was said that was not said.  Here is a link to Juan Vidal article posted to NBR so you can see what he really said and go from there with what you think. Enjoy.  https://www.npr.org/2020/06/06/870910728/your-bookshelf-may-be-part-of-the-problem

[dhchristian]

Just now, LadyKay said:

Okay. Let me address these things. FB and Twitter are privit own sites. You have to follow their rules of the site which is lay out in their "term of services" if you want to be allowed to use their sites. This site WorthyChristians Forums has rules as well. (term of service) If I or anyone else here violate Worthy's Term of Servce rules. Post will be deleted, not approved, or the person posting can be ban from posting anymore comments to a threard. This is not book burning. Unless you want to accuse WorthyChristian site of the same  offence. 

Facebook and twitter are publically traded companies, WCF is not. As a publically traded company the Companies are publically owned They are open to public scrutiny and accountability, and as entities that use the Public domain they are liable for public well being. It is no different than Dow chemical polluting the environment around their factories, which is what Facebook and Twitter are doing in the Public sphere. their product is free speech and by silencing that free speech they are "polluting" the environment of this constitutional free republic, and will be held to account for this in the courts, just like the privately owned companies who polluted the environment have been. When You see this your argument falls apart.  What these companies are in fact doing is "social pollution" of the constitution. 

Just now, LadyKay said:

I see no where in what Juan Vidal said that is calling for the burning of books of any kind. 

silencing opposition is a form of "burning books", I Am surprised you as a liberal cannot see this.

 

[LadyKay]

20 minutes ago, dhchristian said:

silencing opposition is a form of "burning books", I Am surprised you as a liberal cannot see this.

Where is it that Juan Vidal is silencing anyone?  Here. Maybe you should read what Juan Vidal wrote for NPR https://www.npr.org/2020/06/06/870910728/your-bookshelf-may-be-part-of-the-problem

Then you can see what it is he really said. If you are going to criticize what Juan Vidal is saying. You should do so by going by this own article and not by someone else's. 

Okay now on to FB and Twitter:  Both FB can Twitter have clearly lay out  TOS.  Pointting out that if you want to use their format, you must abide by these tearms of services. That is all spelled out for you in their TOS when you sign up for them. This not an attack on free speech. I do not know why this is so hard for some people to understand. Sites have clearly posted rules, and if you violate them you are out.  As FB and Twiter are not part of the  gov.  Only the gov must uphold free speech. Not puplic websites.