Is God Responsible For The Evil In The World? No He Is Not.

JAG** · July 24, 2020

10 hours ago, Josheb said:

Which, imo, is a better way to make the point than scapegoating another poster (fellow believer) in mockery.

Scapegoating is your personal interpretation that YOU put on my dialogue between Henry and The Judge.

Mockery is your personal interpretation that YOU put on my dialogue between Henry and The Judge

scapegoating- a person who is blamed for the wrongdoings, mistakes, or faults of others, especially for reasons of expediency.

Ronald quoted the New King James Version of Isaiah 45:7 which says that God created evil and so I wrote the

dialogue between Henry and The Judge to refute that translation and application of Isaiah 45:7 --- which was not

intended to mock a fellow believer or to scapegoat anybody.

Henry and The Judge makes a good and true point -- one that is not refutable -- that humans and NOT God

are responsible for their evil sinful Free Will choices.

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HENRY AND THE JUDGE:

HENRY: Yes Your Honor it is true that I robbed that bank and killed those 3 bank tellers,

however Your Honor I am NOT primarily responsible for robbing that bank and killing those

3 bank tellers because Ronald Bruno told me about Isaiah 45:7 that says it is God

that created all things and so Your Honor it is God that is primarily responsible and

not me. Your Honor, Ronald Bruno reports that in Isaiah 45:7 the New King James Version

says that "I the LORD . . .create evil" so Your Honor me and my Free Will is NOT

primarily responsible for me robbing that bank and killing those 3 bank tellers

THE JUDGE: Thank you so much for explaining all that to me. I fully understand and

case dismissed.

HENRY: Thank you so much Your Honor, for dismissing my case. I am glad I do not have to

go to jail.

JAG

JAG** · July 24, 2020

6 minutes ago, Glory To God said:

The book of Joshua explains unambiguously that God determined the opponents of

Israel would be their enemy,they would lose,they would have no mercy because of

Gods decision and not mans will or choices.

joshua 11:18-20

Joshua made war a long time with all those kings. There was not a city that made

peace with the children of Israel, except the Hivites, the inhabitants of Gibeon. All

the others they took in battle. For it was of the Lord to harden their hearts, that

they should come against Israel in battle, that He might utterly destroy them,

and that they might receive no mercy, but that He might destroy them,

as the Lord had commanded Moses.

All that is true.

So what do you conclude from all that? Do you conclude that God hardened their hearts

so He could destroy them because they had a long history of choosing to do good and to

shun evil? My Opening Post puts the blame on mankind for evil and makes mankind

responsible for the evil in the world. Are you denying that? Are you saying that it is God

that is to blame for the evil in the world?

Your post says it was God's decision.

Are you saying that those people that God decided to destroy were good,

righteous, holy, loving, kind, compassionate people? Who did NOT deserve their

destruction because of their Free Will choices to do evil? And if you are not saying that

then why did you say this below?

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GloryToGod wrote:

The book of Joshua explains unambiguously that God determined the opponents of

Israel would be their enemy,they would lose,they would have no mercy because of

Gods decision and not mans will or choices.

joshua 11:18-20

Joshua made war a long time with all those kings. There was not a city that made

peace with the children of Israel, except the Hivites, the inhabitants of Gibeon. All

the others they took in battle. For it was of the Lord to harden their hearts, that

they should come against Israel in battle, that He might utterly destroy them,

and that they might receive no mercy, but that He might destroy them,

as the Lord had commanded Moses.

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JAG

JAG** · July 24, 2020

21 minutes ago, Glory To God said:

The book of Joshua explains unambiguously that God determined the

opponents of Israel would be their enemy,they would lose,they would

have no mercy because of Gods decision and not mans will or choices.

joshua 11:18-20

Joshua made war a long time with all those kings. There was not a city

that made peace with the children of Israel, except the Hivites, the

inhabitants of Gibeon. All the others they took in battle. For it was of

the Lord to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel

in battle, that He might utterly destroy them, and that they might

receive no mercy, but that He might destroy them, as the Lord had

commanded Moses.

"because of God's decision and not man's will or choices"___Gloy To God

"to harden their hearts"___Glory To God

Observe that list of sins and crimes down below:

A question for you.

Did the people who recently did the following sins and crimes use their Free Will to choose to do these things and are

they 100% responsible and to blame or is your view that God "hardened their hearts"? and caused them to do that list of sins and crimes down there?

Looting of stores

Burning police cars

Rioting in the streets

Throwing bricks through store front windows

Shooting police officers

Justin Adams · July 24, 2020

I already explained about the Joshua wars against the various mixed nephilim offshoots. It is obvious that KEREM was the order.

JAG** · July 24, 2020

12 hours ago, Josheb said:

The judge analogy is highly interpretable and therefore doesn't prove anything.

"The judge analogy is highly interpretable"___Josheb

So are most of your lengthy posts. So are most of my lengthy posts. So are most of

everybody's lengthy posts.

So are most books. Articles. Poems. Movies. Cable News Programs.

"and therefore doesn't prove anything"__Josheb

Incorrect. Henry and the Judge proves that the institution of Free Will is recognized as

valid and legitimate by the Secular World, by all of Christendom, and all of humanity.

How so?

Because , , ,

Nobody in their right mind is going to deny that human beings are to blame for their

evil and sins and are personally responsible for them.

All sane human beings KNOW that The Judge would NOT have said "Case dismissed."

But would have put Henry in prison for robbing that bank and murdering those 3 bank

tellers. Henry told The Judge that he did in fact rob the bank and did in fact murder those

3 bank tellers.

Henry explained to The Judge that he was told that the New King James Version

of Isaiah 45:7 said the "God created evil" and therefore it was NOT his fault that

he robbed the bank and murdered 3 bank tellers.

No same person is actually going to believe Henry.

Henry will have to leave Earth in order to "sell crazy" , , , ,

Henry can not "sell crazy" to the human race.

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There are over 2,000,000 people in America's jails and prisons and in the case

of all those who were in fact guilty as charged --- all of them are locked up because

of their own personal Free Will choices to choose to commit crimes.

JAG

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JAG** · July 24, 2020

11 hours ago, Josheb said:

I did. I sound several things in the op that warrant slight corrections in order to make the whole veracious

but I was just told this is not a serious conversation, there was no interest in pursuing the subject, and

you don't give a hoot how someone you brought into the discussion might feel were God to act in a

manner confronting his syllogism.

So be it.

It is unlike you to ignore what was ACTUALLY SAID and then proceed to draw conclusions from what was NOT SAID.

JAG Previously Wrote:

"No we are NOT having a serious conversation, not on this subject. I have no interest in pursuing this subject.

No offense but I don't give a hoot what Old Eppie's "emotional response" would have been. Thanks for the

invite though."___JAG

And you quoted that too and was aware of what it actually said.

So?

So the subject that I had no interest in discussing was Old Eppie's "emotional response" --- never at any

time did I say I was NOT interested in discussing the Opening Post.

Nevertheless , ,

That said, I still may NOT have any interest in discussing some of the points that you might

want to discuss with regard to what the Opening Post said. I am not really interested in

hair-spiting and philosophical nuances that make distinctions between:

{1} Human Free Will

and

{2} Human Volitional Agency

What pray tell is the difference between Human Free Will and Human Volitional Agency?

Because I merely ask you what the difference is --- does not mean that I want to

discuss it.

But you are MOST WELCOME to present you views on the difference between

Human Free Will and Human Volitional Agency.

Best.

JAG

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JAG** · July 24, 2020

1 hour ago, Josheb said:

Petty.

Despite the fact I completely agree with the overall point

of the op there is some content in it that warrants minor

amendments. Since there is a lack of willingness and the

exchange has become petty I'll be moving on. I'll see

you in the next op.

No not petty. Rather the absolute truth -- any lengthy writ on philosophical subjects is highly interpretable.

Miscellaneous Points:

{1} The subject of human Free Will is highly philosophical.

{2} It is also highly controversial.

{3} Posters on the Internet are looking for controversy.

{4} As one distinguished gentlemen here said, "The juice is in the controversy."

{5} So? So don't be so quick to leave a thread that is controversial.

{6} I have never been one to try to "own my OP thread" -- you are welcome to engage in "Thread Drift."

{7} Your controversial and opposing views are most welcome in this thread.

(8) This thread is "just one more" thread on the Internet.

{9} It will soon be forever buried in the digital maze jungle of the archives.

{10 Nonetheless, maybe you can post what you see and understand to be the truth and you

might make a valuable contribution to the life of just one human beings. Give it a shot.

{11} Go for it. Explain your positions to the thread.

{12} You do not need ME to discuss Old Eppie with you in order for you to make your points about Old Eppie.

{13} You can make your points. I can make my points. Others can make their points.

{14} I am glad you completely agree with the overall point of the Opening Post.

{15} You say there is some content in the OP that warrants minor amendments. Please feel perfectly

free to make your suggestions on that.

{16] If you decide to pass on this, then thanks for your comments and for the contribution that

you did make to the thread.

Best,

JAG

Edited July 24, 2020 by JAG**

Glory To God · July 24, 2020

1 hour ago, JAG** said:

All that is true.

So what do you conclude from all that? Do you conclude that God hardened their hearts

so He could destroy them because they had a long history of choosing to do good and to

shun evil? My Opening Post puts the blame on mankind for evil and makes mankind

responsible for the evil in the world. Are you denying that? Are you saying that it is God

that is to blame for the evil in the world?

Your post says it was God's decision.

Are you saying that those people that God decided to destroy were good,

righteous, holy, loving, kind, compassionate people? Who did NOT deserve their

destruction because of their Free Will choices to do evil? And if you are not saying that

then why did you say this below?

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GloryToGod wrote:

The book of Joshua explains unambiguously that God determined the opponents of

Israel would be their enemy,they would lose,they would have no mercy because of

Gods decision and not mans will or choices.

joshua 11:18-20

Joshua made war a long time with all those kings. There was not a city that made

peace with the children of Israel, except the Hivites, the inhabitants of Gibeon. All

the others they took in battle. For it was of the Lord to harden their hearts, that

they should come against Israel in battle, that He might utterly destroy them,

and that they might receive no mercy, but that He might destroy them,

as the Lord had commanded Moses.

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JAG

The main thing I was addressing was this that you posted "Choose you this day whom you will serve"__Joshua And there are dozens of other verses that assume Free Will.''

Well I conclude that the people do not have the option to choose God if the events and people have been determined as the scripture says. The scripture you quoted is simply God revealing the path to salvation but he is the one that decides who will make it to the other side and who will fall into the pit. They were hardened and not chosen for the same reason God works all other things,for his will and pleasure.

I believe we have a human will but not a free will. Difference being human will is consistent to human nature,which is sinful. A free will is free agency and allows to choice the spiritually good,this is not consistent or possible with our human nature unless God intervenes to change our nature.

JAG** · July 24, 2020

1 hour ago, Josheb said:

No, the posts speak for themselves. It is an objectively observable fact another

poster's handle was inserted into the analogy unnecessarily, disrespectfully,

and inappropriately.

No.

You are incorrect.

That is no more than your personal opinion that my mention of Ronald in the dialogue between Henry and The Judge

was unnecessary, disrespectful and inappropriate.

My view is that YOU EMOTIONALLY DO NOT LIKE the Henry and The Judge dialogue and do not have a

credible response to it ---and therefore you seek to demonize it and defeat it through demonization

instead of through arguments against it.

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Scapegoating is your personal interpretation that YOU put on my dialogue between Henry and The Judge.

Mockery is your personal interpretation that YOU put on my dialogue between Henry and The Judge

scapegoating- a person who is blamed for the wrongdoings, mistakes, or faults of others, especially for reasons of expediency.

Ronald quoted the New King James Version of Isaiah 45:7 which says that God created evil and so I wrote the

dialogue between Henry and The Judge to refute that translation and application of Isaiah 45:7 --- which was not

intended to mock a fellow believer or to scapegoat anybody.