Woman of revelation 12?

[Spiros]

On 6/24/2025 at 2:45 AM, Michael37 said:

You seem to be posting a lot of gnostic content, @Spiros

According to Wikipedia:

 

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Gnosticism is a collection of religious ideas and systems that coalesced in the late 1st century AD among early Christian sects. These diverse groups emphasized personal spiritual knowledge (gnosis) above the proto-orthodox teachings, traditions, and authority of religious institutions. Generally, in Gnosticism, the Monad is the supreme God who emanates divine beings; one, Sophia, creates the flawed demiurge who makes the material world, trapping souls until they regain divine knowledge. Consequently, Gnostics considered material existence flawed or evil, and held the principal element of salvation to be direct knowledge of the hidden divinity, attained via mystical or esoteric insight. Many Gnostic texts deal not in concepts of sin and repentance, but with illusion and enlightenment.

 

I don’t consider material existence flawed or evil, and I don’t believe that the principal element of salvation is direct knowledge of the hidden divinity, attained via mystical or esoteric insight. I believe God helps us understand things. God created the universe, and understanding or studying science and mathematics can help us envision the wisdom of God. 

 

[Michael37]

8 hours ago, Spiros said:

According to Wikipedia:

Wikipedia is light on the broader scope of Gnosticism. Your content seems more like this lot:

There is a stream of thought that could be described as pseudo-biblical astro-gnosis, blending biblical motifs, astrological frameworks, and Gnostic-style cosmology. Here's how it unfolds:

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🌠 What Is "Pseudo-Biblical Astro-Gnosis"?

This term isn't widely formalized, but it aptly describes a symbolic or esoteric reinterpretation of biblical texts through astrological and Gnostic lenses. It often appears in:

• Pseudepigrapha and Apocrypha: Texts like 1 Enoch, Jubilees, and The Apocalypse of Abraham contain celestial imagery, angelic hierarchies, and cosmic journeys that echo both astrology and Gnostic cosmology.
• Astro-theological Readings: Some modern interpreters view biblical narratives as allegories for celestial events—e.g., the 12 tribes as zodiac signs, or Christ as the solar Logos moving through the heavens.
• Gnostic Texts: Works like Pistis Sophia and The Apocryphon of John describe planetary rulers (archons), zodiacal prisons, and the soul’s ascent through celestial spheres—deeply astrological in structure.

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📜 A Notable Example: The Pseudo-Dionysian Cosmological Tract

A Syriac treatise attributed to Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite offers a compelling case. Though not canonical, it blends:

• Biblical cosmology with
• Astrological and meteorological speculation, and
• Dualistic themes reminiscent of Gnostic thought.

It describes the stars and planets as part of a divine order but also critiques Greek science and emphasizes a mystical, symbolic reading of the cosmos.

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🧩 Key Features of Pseudo-Biblical Astro-Gnosis

Element	Description
Zodiacal Symbolism	12 tribes, apostles, or stones linked to zodiac signs
Planetary Archons	Celestial rulers seen as obstacles to the soul’s ascent
Solar Christology	Christ as the Sun, bringing light through the darkness of the aeons
Heavenly Ascent	Soul’s journey through planetary spheres, shedding karmic or material bonds
Hidden Knowledge (Gnosis)	Salvation through decoding cosmic patterns and divine archetypes

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🧠 Modern Echoes

• Astro-Gnostic Conferences and podcasts (like Aeon Byte Gnostic Radio) explore these themes today, blending Jungian psychology, astrology, and esoteric Christianity.
• Symbolic reinterpretations of Revelation and Genesis often draw on astro-theological motifs, especially in fringe or mystical circles.

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[Marathoner]

52 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

Wikipedia is light on the broader scope of Gnosticism. Your content seems more like this lot:

There is a stream of thought that could be described as pseudo-biblical astro-gnosis, blending biblical motifs, astrological frameworks, and Gnostic-style cosmology. Here's how it unfolds:

---

🌠 What Is "Pseudo-Biblical Astro-Gnosis"?

This term isn't widely formalized, but it aptly describes a symbolic or esoteric reinterpretation of biblical texts through astrological and Gnostic lenses. It often appears in:

• Pseudepigrapha and Apocrypha: Texts like 1 Enoch, Jubilees, and The Apocalypse of Abraham contain celestial imagery, angelic hierarchies, and cosmic journeys that echo both astrology and Gnostic cosmology.
• Astro-theological Readings: Some modern interpreters view biblical narratives as allegories for celestial events—e.g., the 12 tribes as zodiac signs, or Christ as the solar Logos moving through the heavens.
• Gnostic Texts: Works like Pistis Sophia and The Apocryphon of John describe planetary rulers (archons), zodiacal prisons, and the soul’s ascent through celestial spheres—deeply astrological in structure.

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📜 A Notable Example: The Pseudo-Dionysian Cosmological Tract

A Syriac treatise attributed to Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite offers a compelling case. Though not canonical, it blends:

• Biblical cosmology with
• Astrological and meteorological speculation, and
• Dualistic themes reminiscent of Gnostic thought.

It describes the stars and planets as part of a divine order but also critiques Greek science and emphasizes a mystical, symbolic reading of the cosmos.

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🧩 Key Features of Pseudo-Biblical Astro-Gnosis

Element	Description
Zodiacal Symbolism	12 tribes, apostles, or stones linked to zodiac signs
Planetary Archons	Celestial rulers seen as obstacles to the soul’s ascent
Solar Christology	Christ as the Sun, bringing light through the darkness of the aeons
Heavenly Ascent	Soul’s journey through planetary spheres, shedding karmic or material bonds
Hidden Knowledge (Gnosis)	Salvation through decoding cosmic patterns and divine archetypes

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🧠 Modern Echoes

• Astro-Gnostic Conferences and podcasts (like Aeon Byte Gnostic Radio) explore these themes today, blending Jungian psychology, astrology, and esoteric Christianity.
• Symbolic reinterpretations of Revelation and Genesis often draw on astro-theological motifs, especially in fringe or mystical circles.

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Fascinating. This is new to me; I appreciate the information. 

[Your closest friendnt]

Does anyone of those schools of thought teach that Jesus Christ died for the forgiveness of our sins. 

[Michael37]

20 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Does anyone of those schools of thought teach that Jesus Christ died for the forgiveness of our sins. 

See notes here:

 

[Your closest friendnt]

12 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

See notes here:

 

Can put that down with your own words in a format that a simple person can understand please and thank you. 

[Michael37]

4 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Can put that down with your own words in a format that a simple person can understand please and thank you. 

It is my format and words. That said, I know there is a difference in the way you think and the way I do. 

This is no criticism. I use the modern technology available to research whatever is topical whereas you seem reluctant to answer your own enquiries in that way, which many are. Not a big deal, just an observation communicated in love.

Blessings from Michael37.

[In1]

20 hours ago, Spiros said:

My understanding is that this is a spiritual wilderness.

I too see the wilderness as part of a pattern/theme in scripture, something that lies between two sons (from one view) but it is also relative (first and foremost) to what's between our ears …

Edited 14 minutes ago by In1