luigi Posted August 26, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 59 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,801 Content Per Day: 1.03 Reputation: 327 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 26, 2020 7 hours ago, Michael37 said: The war with the saints is current. Think about all the legislation of the worldly governments that legitimises and normalises what the Bible plainly teaches is sin. As prophecied the saints get weary in the fight against the tide of evil and are eventually outnumbered on every front, except that of having faith in Christ. Faith is the victory that overcomes the world. 1John 5:3-5 Overcoming the World …3For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome, 4because everyone born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world: our faith. 5Who then overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.… Berean Study Bible · One could also claim the war with the saints has been ongoing for the last two thousand years. The beast, however, has a forty two month term in which Satan provides the beast his power. It is this power from the devil that will have all who are not written in the lambs book of life in total adoration of the dragon, the beast, and the beasts mouth. The saints, though they will not be in adoration of the beast, will nonetheless be overcome by the beast's fabulous hedonistic system, during the beasts forty two months in power. You have to put scripture together with scripture to get a clearer picture of how things transpire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi Posted August 26, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 59 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,801 Content Per Day: 1.03 Reputation: 327 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 26, 2020 On 8/24/2020 at 10:08 AM, Revelation Man said: Its about the Wedding Guests at the Marriage of the Lamb, thus the Brides represents the Church as Individuals, or ALL Christians, the 10 represents the Complete church (see 10 Horns of the Beast which represents all of Europe and the Ten Days of Tribulation in Rev. 2:10 which represents the WHOLE Church Age), thus out of 10 Jesus is saying only half of those that call themselves my Bride, actually have the Holy Spirit residing in them (in general it might be 1 Billion and 1 out of 2 Billion, LOL), thus Jesus is telling the Disciples and us that at the Rapture, which is pre tribulation, only about half of those who call themselves Christians will actually be true Christians. Thus they miss the Wedding to the Lamb in Heaven. They can still make Heaven, just not the Wedding to the Lamb, they will be required now to deny the Beast by laying down their lives (see the 5th Seal/Under the Alter.....see Rev. 20:4, those who refuse to take the Mark of the Beast live and reign ON EARTH with Jesus for 1000 years) for the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. NOTICE: In Matt. 24:36-51, we see that 1 is TAKEN and 1 is LEFT !! That comes to 50 percent also !! God always has perfect Symmetry. Jesus is telling us, half the Church (Brides) will not make it to the Marriage in Heaven, the door will be shut to them, then they must go through a TIME OF TROUBLES that they needed not go through. Yes, the obvious as stated in scripture is the ten virgins representing the bride at the marriage of the Lamb. But when does this happen? And what is the cause for all ten being spiritually asleep? To get a clearer understanding, you can look at other scriptures that tell you what will have been going on throughout the world prior to the Lord's return and commencing to reign. Prior to the Lord's return and commencing to reign, the beast will have been reigning for forty two months due to the power the dragon will provide the beast. During these forty two months, all who are not written in the lambs book of life will be in total adoration of the dragon, the beast and the beast's mouth. While the saints, will not be in adoration of the beast's wonderful hedonistic system, they will nonetheless be overcome by its grandeur. The grandeur of the beast's system is therefore the cause for why the virgin/saints will be spiritually asleep when the Lord returns and commences to reign at the conclusion of the beasts 42 month reign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revelation Man Posted August 26, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 4,118 Content Per Day: 1.42 Reputation: 563 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/01/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted August 26, 2020 42 minutes ago, luigi said: Yes, the obvious as stated in scripture is the ten virgins representing the bride at the marriage of the Lamb. But when does this happen? And what is the cause for all ten being spiritually asleep? To get a clearer understanding, you can look at other scriptures that tell you what will have been going on throughout the world prior to the Lord's return and commencing to reign. Prior to the Lord's return and commencing to reign, the beast will have been reigning for forty two months due to the power the dragon will provide the beast. During these forty two months, all who are not written in the lambs book of life will be in total adoration of the dragon, the beast and the beast's mouth. While the saints, will not be in adoration of the beast's wonderful hedonistic system, they will nonetheless be overcome by its grandeur. The grandeur of the beast's system is therefore the cause for why the virgin/saints will be spiritually asleep when the Lord returns and commences to reign at the conclusion of the beasts 42 month reign. The Rapture is pre tribulation. The SLEEP represents the Jewish Wedding Plan in general. The brides were always SLEEPING when the Bridegroom came for her, the father always sent the son just after midnight to get the bride. So of course they will be sleeping. God doesn't have to use each word in the same manner all the time. We know the day of the Second Coming, its 1260 days after the Beast comes to power. Most every Christian will be killed before the Second Coming by the Anti-Christ. None of the Raptures, other than pre trib can be correct sir. God Bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don19 Posted August 26, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 578 Content Per Day: 0.39 Reputation: 255 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/28/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted August 26, 2020 (edited) Edited. Edited August 30, 2021 by Don19 My previous interpretation was wrong. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi Posted August 26, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 59 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,801 Content Per Day: 1.03 Reputation: 327 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 26, 2020 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Revelation Man said: The Rapture is pre tribulation. The SLEEP represents the Jewish Wedding Plan in general. The brides were always SLEEPING when the Bridegroom came for her, the father always sent the son just after midnight to get the bride. So of course they will be sleeping. God doesn't have to use each word in the same manner all the time. We know the day of the Second Coming, its 1260 days after the Beast comes to power. Most every Christian will be killed before the Second Coming by the Anti-Christ. None of the Raptures, other than pre trib can be correct sir. God Bless. I understand by scriptures (the Word) that the Lord returns and commences to reign immediately upon the conclusion of the beasts 42 month reign. During this 42 month reign the saints are worn out (Daniel 7:25), by the great things the beasts mouth proclaims. If the saints are worn out and are unable to contend further with the great things the beasts mouth proclaims, the saints are then overcome by its grandeur and will be spiritually sleeping. Yes, Revelation Man, I agree most Christians will be killed during the beasts 1,260 days (42 month) reign. Those killed are they who precede the remnant living saints in being caught up to God. Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. Edited August 26, 2020 by luigi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted August 26, 2020 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 245 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 7,036 Content Per Day: 3.28 Reputation: 4,947 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted August 26, 2020 10 hours ago, luigi said: The grandeur of the beast's system is therefore the cause for why the virgin/saints will be spiritually asleep when the Lord returns and commences to reign at the conclusion of the beasts 42 month reign. And yet Scripture says the duration of waiting is the cause of the 10 virgins sleeping and slumbering, only 5 of whom turn out to be saints. I prefer to avoid theological gymnastics and misappropriations of content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi Posted August 27, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 59 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,801 Content Per Day: 1.03 Reputation: 327 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Michael37 said: And yet Scripture says the duration of waiting is the cause of the 10 virgins sleeping and slumbering, only 5 of whom turn out to be saints. I prefer to avoid theological gymnastics and misappropriations of content. I agree that the duration of waiting for the Lord is the cause. Three and a half years of waiting while being worn out by the beasts mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted August 27, 2020 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 245 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 7,036 Content Per Day: 3.28 Reputation: 4,947 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted August 27, 2020 27 minutes ago, luigi said: I agree that the duration of waiting for the Lord is the cause. Three and a half years of waiting while being worn out by the beasts mouth. Even now the antichrist element of the media is a manipulative mouthpiece that Christians find wearisome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi Posted August 27, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 59 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,801 Content Per Day: 1.03 Reputation: 327 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 27, 2020 9 hours ago, Michael37 said: Even now the antichrist element of the media is a manipulative mouthpiece that Christians find wearisome. The beasts mouth, a.k.a., the little horn, and the Antichrist is a singular individual. Yes, there will be elements that advocate for the beasts mouths vision, but this 3.5 year period has yet to commence. By stating that some are now advocating the Antichrist's perspective, when much of the criteria for the Antichrist's 3.5 year reign has yet to commence, truly works for the devil by deflecting these to other entities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted August 27, 2020 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 245 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 7,036 Content Per Day: 3.28 Reputation: 4,947 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted August 27, 2020 15 minutes ago, luigi said: The beasts mouth, a.k.a., the little horn, and the Antichrist is a singular individual. Who communicates with his kingdom how exactly in your panorama? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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