The Jesus you thought you knew...

[Faithwilldo]

1 hour ago, Heleadethme said:

If we have already entered (past tense) the kingdom when we became new believers then why did Paul say the verse below to those who are believers?  It seems we have not really enterED the kingdom yet necessarily, but we are in the process of enterING it if we are following Christ.

Act 14:22

Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

I even consider that what the church calls being born again, is actually just the conception.  "What was conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit"....Mary being a type and shadow of the church......until the actual birth takes place and we are truly born again as a new creation.

 

You said:

If we have already entered (past tense) the kingdom when we became new believers then why did Paul say the verse below to those who are believers?  It seems we have not really enterED the kingdom yet necessarily, but we are in the process of enterING it if we are following Christ.

Act 14:22

Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

The pathway that Christ established for saving mankind is long and full of tribulation.  When Christ first calls us out from the world (Early Rain), we are saved but since Christ does not give us all the gifts necessary to remain saved, we quickly "fall away" from Grace back to works.  This is what our carnal nature prefers:

Luke 5:39  No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.

When we fall away back to works for our salvation, it causes us to spiritually die.  This is the sin that leads to death.  It happens to everyone after they first believe because our Old Man does not die upon receiving the Early Rain of the Spirit.   That is why the second coming of Christ is so important.  It is only when He gives us the Latter Rain of the Spirit that our Old Man is destroyed.  In Revelation, where it teaches about the 7 headed beast (carnal mankind), one of the heads has a deadly wound that was healed.  This head represents the "called" believers who have fallen away.  Their Old Man continues to live.  The Elect are not represented in this beast because they have become a new creature in Christ.  They no longer have the mark of the beast.  Salvation takes the Early and Latter Rain:

Jam 5:7-8  Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.  8  Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.

Joe 

 

 

 

[Heleadethme]

3 hours ago, Faithwilldo said:

You said:

If we have already entered (past tense) the kingdom when we became new believers then why did Paul say the verse below to those who are believers?  It seems we have not really enterED the kingdom yet necessarily, but we are in the process of enterING it if we are following Christ.

Act 14:22

Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

The pathway that Christ established for saving mankind is long and full of tribulation.  When Christ first calls us out from the world (Early Rain), we are saved but since Christ does not give us all the gifts necessary to remain saved, we quickly "fall away" from Grace back to works.  This is what our carnal nature prefers:

Luke 5:39  No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.

When we fall away back to works for our salvation, it causes us to spiritually die.  This is the sin that leads to death.  It happens to everyone after they first believe because our Old Man does not die upon receiving the Early Rain of the Spirit.   That is why the second coming of Christ is so important.  It is only when He gives us the Latter Rain of the Spirit that our Old Man is destroyed.  In Revelation, where it teaches about the 7 headed beast (carnal mankind), one of the heads has a deadly wound that was healed.  This head represents the "called" believers who have fallen away.  Their Old Man continues to live.  The Elect are not represented in this beast because they have become a new creature in Christ.  They no longer have the mark of the beast.  Salvation takes the Early and Latter Rain:

Jam 5:7-8  Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.  8  Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.

Joe 

 

 

 

I don't understand the book of Revelation very well, but I'll consider what you said about that, thanks.  There is more than one layer of understanding in the writings of scripture...the Lord can be saying more than one thing at the same time....He can be speaking on a personal spiritual level as well as more literally.  In the type and shadow of Israel when she came out of Egypt...the Lord led them to cross two bodies of water...first the Red Sea and then the Jordan River in order to enter the land of Promise, and both were miraculous events.  Also there were two gushings of water (Holy Spirit) from the Rock, the first time the Rock had to be struck, but the second time it did not need to be struck....and these were types/shadows of the early and latter rain.  We have only in the beginning received a deposit of the Holy Spirit (early rain) guaranteeing what is to come (latter rain)....so I believe the things you are saying about that are scriptural on a personal level, but it's also true that the Lord Jesus will return quite literally in the same manner that He was seen ascending to heaven.

[David1701]

5 hours ago, Heleadethme said:

If we have already entered (past tense) the kingdom when we became new believers then why did Paul say the verse below to those who are believers?  It seems we have not really enterED the kingdom yet necessarily, but we are in the process of enterING it if we are following Christ.

Act 14:22

Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

 

It's one of these "now but not yet" situations, in which we have entered the kingdom of God in spirit, having been born again, but our flesh is very much not in the kingdom of God.  This is why we need to be resurrected, so that our whole person is in the kingdom of God.

It is a similar situation with our adoption:  we have already been adopted into God's family; but, the fulness of our adoption only happens at the resurrection.  This is why it is truthfully said that we are already adopted and eagerly waiting for our adoption.

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I even consider that what the church calls being born again, is actually just the conception.  "What was conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit"....Mary being a type and shadow of the church......until the actual birth takes place and we are truly born again as a new creation.

The equivalent to conception, in the life of someone who later becomes a genuine Christian, is hearing/reading the word of God.  This is the seed that is sown in our hearts and, sooner or later, results in the elect ones being born again, which is the point at which we are saved.

Jesus tells us that the seed is the word of God, in the parable of the sower, and the Bible also tells us that God begat us with the word of truth.

James 1:18 (KJV) Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. 

[David1701]

5 hours ago, Faithwilldo said:

You had a lot to say in your response but for the most part, you lack scriptural support.  You say that you don't know where my understanding of scripture comes from - you even suggested that it is from some cult.  If you go to my profile and read my conversion testimony, then you will see that I received it from God's Word.  I do not teach traditions of men.

You said:

Matt. 24:24 (WEB) For there will arise false christs, and false prophets, and they will show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the chosen ones.

The Elect follow the path that leads to destruction first.  During that time, they are deceived and lost just like the "many called" are.  Paul's conversion teaches this pathway.

Paul is one of the Elect but for a time, He was deceived and working to kill believers - that is why he was traveling to Damascus.  But once Paul received the Latter Rain of the Spirit in Damascus, all that suddenly changed.  Paul quickly came out from Satan's deception and became one of the greatest apostles.  And like Paul, all of God's Elect start off spiritually blind and deceived.  It is shown to us in many parts of scripture but it is given to us in bits and pieces so that only God's Elect (after they receive the Latter Rain) can understand.  Christ gives the Elect eyes that can see upon their Latter Rain baptism.  

Christ words are spirit and they carry meanings different from what "man's wisdom teaches".

1Cor 2:13  These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

To understand what Christ is teaching us, it requires the reader to have spiritual vision.  This vision is only given to the Elect AFTER they receive the Latter Rain of the Spirit.  I explained this concept in detail using Mark 8:21-25 in an earlier post on this page.  

Here is how it is repeated with Paul's conversion:  after Christ first came to Paul on the Damascus Road, Paul became blind.  This was NOT by accident.  Paul's blindness symbolizes our spiritual state after we first believe.  And it explains why Satan can quickly deceive us.  Satan feeds us stones (Law) and leaven (false doctrines) which are pleasing to our carnal nature.  We readily accept his lies since we have not been given spiritual vision and we remain carnally minded.  However, once Paul received the Latter Rain, he was given the "gifts" that allowed him to eat "meat".  The word "meat" is being used here as a spiritual symbol.  It represents the strongest level of spiritual food that we can consume.  It is truth.  Paul only has this ability to consume meat AFTER he receives the Latter Rain.  Before that event, Paul languished in the wilderness where Satan dwells.  This was symbolized by him being in bed for 3 days in Damascus.  The number three symbolizes spiritual death. 

Other portions of scripture that teach the pathway are the parable of the Wheat and the Tares, the parable of the Ten Virgins, the story of the woman caught in adultery, James teaching on the Early and Latter Rain, Jesus' teaching on the 7 evil spirits that return to us which they find our house empty and the nation of Israel's wandering in the wilderness for 40 years.  These all teach different aspects of the pathway that leads to destruction and life.  

You said:

Genuine Christians will NOT "fall away and spiritually die"!  We all start off (before becoming Christians, by the saving grace of God) spiritually dead, then, if God saves us, he makes us born again and alive in Christ.

You are teaching another gospel, with another Christ; and the word of God says that we are to regard such people as accursed.

Yes, I am definitely teaching about another Christ that you do not know.  He is loving & merciful and would never harm His children (all mankind) in literal fire for all eternity for no redeeming purpose as the Doctrine of Hell teaches.  That doctrine is totally void of love and makes Christ out to be worse than Hitler or Stalin.  This horrible, blasphemous doctrine has even been used to justify burning people alive - because after all, they will be spending eternity in hell anyway.  How sick is that!      

Genuine Christians are only those believers who have been chosen by Christ and who have received the Latter Rain of the Spirit (also called the Baptism of the Spirit).  We must receive the Early and Latter Rain before we are saved.  The time period between the Early and Latter Rains is a time of wandering in the wilderness, deceived by Satan who feeds us his stones of Law.  Once a believer consumes these stones, they will "fall away" and spiritually die.  That is the sin that leads to death.  When one believes that they can contribute to their salvation, they have eaten these stones and have fallen away from Grace and remain under Law which condemns them.  

The story of the woman taken in adultery shows this aspect:

John 8:3-10  And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,  4  They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.  5  Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?  6  This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.  7  So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.  8  And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.  9  And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.  10  When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?

The stones the Pharisees hold represent the Law.  The woman in the story represents mankind.  When Christ first writes in the earth it represents when Christ gives carnal mankind the Early rain of the Spirit.  However, after Christ first writing the Law in our hearts, the Pharisees do not drop the stones.  The Law still accuses the woman.  Christ then writes in the earth a second time and then the Pharisees drop their stones.  The Law cannot condemn us any longer.  Christ MUST write in our hearts TWO times.  That is why the Elect are represented by the number two.  

Joshua and Caleb are a "type" of the Elect.  They live through their "wilderness" experience and cross the Jordan River into the Promised Land.  The rest of the nation of Israel who went through the Red Sea (type of Early Rain) with Joshua and Caleb died in the wilderness.  Those who died represent the many called believers (Early Rain only) who do not receive the Latter Rain.  The Latter Rain for Joshua and Caleb was symbolized when they crossed the Jordan River.  They are saved at that point but they are still in need of judgment.  Christ's judgment will teach them righteousness and help them defeat the "giants in the land".  The time period after they crossed the Jordan River is the portion of the pathway that leads to life.  The portion of the pathway that leads to destruction takes place in the wilderness and it ends when they cross the Jordan River.   At that time, the Old Man receives "destruction" and the New Man is born.  That is the moment of conversion.  It takes only a moment to be changed but nearly a lifetime to get to that point.  Most believers are not chosen and will die in the wilderness fully deceived by Satan.  This is all part of Christ's plan to save mankind.  Christ's plan to save mankind comes in two parts:  1).  the Elect who are First Fruits of the harvest are saved first (now in this age) 2). but the rest of mankind will only be saved at the end of the harvest season (Feast of Tabernacles) in the final age (the Lake of Fire age).  It is at that time that this call go out to them:

Rev 22:17  And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

John 7:37-38  In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.  He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

I know what I have said in this post will probably not sway you from what you believe but maybe it will help you at some future time.

Joe 

 

 

 

 

As before, your  post is full to the brim with false teaching; but I'll single out one passage, to show everyone from which spirit your posts emanate.

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Yes, I am definitely teaching about another Christ that you do not know.  He is loving & merciful and would never harm His children (all mankind) in literal fire for all eternity for no redeeming purpose as the Doctrine of Hell teaches.  That doctrine is totally void of love and makes Christ out to be worse than Hitler or Stalin.  This horrible, blasphemous doctrine has even been used to justify burning people alive - because after all, they will be spending eternity in hell anyway.  How sick is that!

Here you make it plain that you hate the Lord Jesus Christ, claiming that the truth of hell "makes Christ out to be worse than Hitler or Stalin.".  This is sickening blasphemy!

Honestly,  I don't know why you are allowed to keep posting on this forum, which is supposed to be for Christians.

Edited September 20, 2020 by David1701

[Faithwilldo]

2 hours ago, Heleadethme said:

I don't understand the book of Revelation very well, but I'll consider what you said about that, thanks.  There is more than one layer of understanding in the writings of scripture...the Lord can be saying more than one thing at the same time....He can be speaking on a personal spiritual level as well as more literally.  In the type and shadow of Israel when she came out of Egypt...the Lord led them to cross two bodies of water...first the Red Sea and then the Jordan River in order to enter the land of Promise, and both were miraculous events.  Also there were two gushings of water (Holy Spirit) from the Rock, the first time the Rock had to be struck, but the second time it did not need to be struck....and these were types/shadows of the early and latter rain.  We have only in the beginning received a deposit of the Holy Spirit (early rain) guaranteeing what is to come (latter rain)....so I believe the things you are saying about that are scriptural on a personal level, but it's also true that the Lord Jesus will return quite literally in the same manner that He was seen ascending to heaven.

I have learned that whenever scripture mentions "two" things, it is usually related to the Elect and the pathway to salvation.  The two gushings of water that you mentioned is possibly another example of the early and latter rain however, I have not studied it yet.  

I appreciate your comments above about the early and latter rain.  You are the first person that I have encountered on the forum that is not only aware of the teaching about the early and latter rain but has an idea of what they mean.  If you keep this teaching in mind as you read scripture, it is amazing how many bits and pieces of scripture relate to it.  Here is another one of my favorites from the Old Testament:

Ecc 11:1-5  Cast thy bread upon the waters: for thou shalt find it after many days.  2  Give a portion to seven, and also to eight; for thou knowest not what evil shall be upon the earth.  3  if the clouds be full of rain, they empty themselves upon the earth: and if the tree fall toward the south, or toward the north, in the place where the tree falleth, there it shall be.  4  He that observeth the wind shall not sow; and he that regardeth the clouds shall not reap.  5 As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even so thou knowest not the works of God who maketh all.   

Two portions of bread are cast upon the waters.  Bread is Truth (Christ).  The first portion of bread goes to “seven” which is a reference to the complete carnality of mankind we have from birth.  That same carnal nature is symbolized in the book of Revelation as a Seven-headed, 10 Horned Beast.   Then a second portion of bread goes to “eight” because “thou knowest not what evil shall be upon the earth”.  “Eight” is a reference to who we become by Satan’s deception.  Satan makes mankind’s “last state” of carnality worse than the first.   This change to a worsened carnal state is taught below:

Mat 12:43-45  When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.  44  Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.  45  Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

Dan 7:8 and Rev 17:11 also refer to Satan’s rule from within the fallen away church.  Satan’s rule is identified with “eight” kings (Rev 17:11).  

Ecc 11:5 goes on to give us more details of why the two portions of bread are given to mankind.  The first section of verse 5 tells us that we do not know the way of the Spirit or how the child grows in the womb.  As Paul said, Christ and His Church are a Great Mystery.  The woman with child in verse 5 is a direct reference to the Church who is in the process of birthing many new Sons of God (all mankind).  The verse finishes with another statement that says again that the “works of God who maketh all” is a mystery. 

To summarize:  God’s plan of producing His offspring through the Church requires TWO portions of bread (two appearances of Christ).  The first portion comes to us while we are in the carnal condition we have from birth (seven).  The second portion comes to us after Satan has intervened and made our original carnal state even worse (eight, also known at the man of sin).  From that worsened state, Christ gives to us the second portion of bread which causes us to be born again as a Son of God.  

As for the second coming of Christ, the Latter Rain event is the second coming of Christ that is frequently discussed in scripture.  There is no literal second coming to this earth were we can see Him with physical eyes.  Scripture says that "every eye will see him".  That can only be true when one understands that His second coming is spiritual and within each individual.  When Christ comes a second time, He brings salvation (Latter Rain) with Him:

Heb 9:28  So Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

Because Christ has said that He will save all mankind, then it necessitates that "every eye will see Him" because He will, at some point, come to each of us to save us. 

Rev 1:7-8  Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Most of mankind has already died (including those who "pierced him") so there is no way that every one will see a physical return of Christ as most people believe.  Christ is spirit now and that is the way He returns.  The spirit world is within us and that is where Christ does His work to change us.  He has already come to earth physically to do His work on the cross.  Now He is doing His work within us.  So that means that His second coming has been happening over and over again within the lives of each of God's Elect since the Day of Pentecost.  That is why Revelation 1:8 says that Christ is continually coming (which is, which was and which is to come) because He comes spiritually over and over again to each of His Elect.   When His work is finished, He will have come to every person who have ever been born, including those who pierced Him.  Then His work will be complete and His reign will end.  God will then be "all in all".

1 Cor 15:20-28  But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.  For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.  For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.  But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.  Then cometh the consummation, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.  For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.  The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.  And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Joe

Edited September 20, 2020 by Faithwilldo

[JohnR7]

On 9/19/2020 at 2:31 PM, Faithwilldo said:

I've read that there are over 2000 different denominational churches. 

I believe that the atonement is twofold. Jesus died to reconcile us with the Father, but also to reconcile us with each other. Is it working did He accomplish His objective? 

[Faithwilldo]

1 hour ago, David1701 said:

As before, your  post is full to the brim with false teaching; but I'll single out one passage, to show everyone from which spirit your posts emanate.

Here you make it plain that you hate the Lord Jesus Christ, claiming that the truth of hell "makes Christ out to be worse than Hitler or Stalin.".  This is sickening blasphemy!

Honestly,  I don't know why you are allowed to keep posting on this forum, which is supposed to be for Christians.

If you go and light a person on fire in this world, even the unbelievers know that this is wrong.  Christ is our loving and merciful Savior.  It is completely outside of His character to harm anyone.  The Doctrine of Hell is so ghastly, most people can't even think about it for very long.  How can you follow Christ when you believe that He is going to fail to save most of mankind as scripture says He will do?  And because He fails, you believe that He is going to torment in literal fire most of mankind without a redeeming purpose.  Where is God's love in your Hell doctrine?  Is has none.  Do you not know that Christ loves us all and is not willing that any should perish (the real penalty of sin)?  

Fire is a spiritual symbol that represents Christ's judgment.  All mankind will be judged because it is a necessary part of the pathway that leads to salvation.

Isa 26:9  With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.

Psa 33:5  He loveth righteousness and judgment: the earth is full of the goodness of the LORD.

Jer 4:2  And thou shalt swear, The LORD liveth, in truth, in judgment, and in righteousness; and the nations shall bless themselves in him, and in him shall they glory.

Jer 9:24  But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these [things] I delight, saith the LORD.

Amos 5:24  But let judgment run down as waters, and righteousness as a mighty stream.

Prov 28:5  Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

Christ's judgment fills the earth with God's "goodness" and is not like man's judgment.  God's judgment will "bless" the nations and make them righteous.   It burns away our spiritual impurities.

Judgment is good and necessary.  The fire is not literal as you believe.  

1Cor 3:13-15  Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.  If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.  If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Joe     

Edited September 20, 2020 by Faithwilldo

[JohnR7]

On 9/13/2020 at 6:24 PM, JohnD said:

What exactly is the will of the Father?

"not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." (2Peter3:9) 

"Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." (1Timothy2:4)

[Faithwilldo]

2 minutes ago, JohnR7 said:

I believe that the atonement is twofold. Jesus died to reconcile us with the Father, but also to reconcile us with each other. Is it working did He accomplish His objective? 

Obviously Christ has not finished His work yet.  When He finishes His work, all mankind will confess that Jesus is Lord.  God will then be all and all. 

Phi 2:10-11  That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;  And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

1 Cor 15:20-28  But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.  For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.  For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.  But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.  Then cometh the consummation, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.  For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.  The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.  And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

By the end of the final age, all mankind will be restored to the Father and we will all be brothers in Christ.  So when someone does you wrong, just remember that someday they will be your brother/sister in Christ.  

Do you believe the scriptures I posted above?

Joe

 

[Faithwilldo]

4 minutes ago, JohnR7 said:

"not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." (2Peter3:9) 

"Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." (1Timothy2:4)

These are great verses that should give all mankind hope.  If God is not willing that any should perish (the true penalty of sin), then who is going to stop Him from saving us all?  Certainly not mankind.  

Dan 4:35  And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; and he doeth according to his will in the army of the heavens, and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou? 

Thanks for posting these two verses.

Joe