Sparks Posted October 7, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 23 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,159 Content Per Day: 2.03 Reputation: 2,513 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/20/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted October 7, 2020 11 hours ago, JohnR7 said: The DNA evidence shows that Adam and Eve had parents just like everyone else. What DNA evidence? Who is claiming they have Adam's DNA? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior12 Posted October 7, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 54 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,448 Content Per Day: 0.88 Reputation: 1,529 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/05/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted October 7, 2020 38 minutes ago, JohnR7 said: A covenant is a legal contract between us and God. If we do our part we can be sure God will do his part of the promise. For example we read in Psalm 37:4 : "Delight yourself in the LORD and he will give you the desires of your heart." What do we have to do? Our part of the promise is to: "Delight yourself in the Lord". IF he is NOT giving us the desires of our heart then we have failed to delight in Him. We need to learn how to do that. I would assume from other scriptures that to delight in the Lord involves have a pure heart before Him. He is not going to give us the desires of our heart if our heart is wicked and defiled. We know if we turn on a light we can see a lot better. So perhaps He shines His light on our Heart to see if your Heart is pure before Him. This is just one random promise from God. There are many thousands we can choose from. Always the promises of God are conditional. WE have to do our part then we can be sure that He will do His part. That is why they write whole books on how people tie the hands of God. Some people find that very offensive that we could do something that would hinder God from working in our life. Right. Then back to the scripture I quoted, how does God broken covenant and predestination agree or is there any correlation . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1701 Posted October 7, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.52 Reputation: 3,524 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, JohnR7 said: The conversation is about the day of the Lord. People like to go to the last chapter in a book but I like to start in the beginning and follow through from there. Zephaniah 1:14 - Isaiah 13:6 - Joel 1:15 - Amos 5:18 - Psalm 118:24 - Ezekiel 30:3 all talk about 'The Day of the Lord". Don't you think we should take a look at what they say about this day before we offer opinions about what Peter is telling us? The thousand years is equal to a day is to help us know when to expect the day of the lord. While the day of the lord is a literal 24 hour day - this day has a direct impact on every saved and redeemed person that has lived from Adam to the end of the 1,000 year reign of Christ 7,000 years from Adam. This is the day when the Kingdoms of this world become the Kingdom of God. All was created in 7 days and in 7 days all will be redeemed and restored. As I said a day is a literal 24 hour day, also a day is symbolic and numerical. That is fine if you want to look at the literal 24 hour day but there is a lot of revelation knowledge in a symbolic and numerical understanding of the Bible. The literal is more for children then as we grow and mature we begin to see and understand the deeper things of God. As Paul said: "When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I set aside childish ways". (1Cor13:11) The word "day", in the Bible, is a literal 24-hour day, when it is accompanied by "morning", "evening" or a number (e.g. day one). When it is not accompanied by any of these, then it can mean other things (e.g. an indefinite period of time). Everything was created in six days, not seven. The seventh day was when God rested from his creative work. I initially responded to your post about 2 Pet. 3:9, taken out of context. My post was to do with the meaning of that verse, in context; it was not about end-times theology, or the "Day of the Lord". Edited October 7, 2020 by David1701 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis1209 Posted October 7, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 350 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,508 Content Per Day: 2.70 Reputation: 5,408 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/27/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 7, 2020 19 hours ago, JohnR7 said: This was the beginning of civilization because man as a food producer was able to produce a lot more food for a lot more people than the hunter gathers that were here before Adam and Eve. That's an interesting topic all on its own. So I take it you're an 'old earth' adherent and believe in the "gap theory"? I've done much study on the subject myself, and came to the rock solid conclusion; I don't know! With your education no doubt you've read books and commentaries from the likes of Scofield and G.H. Pember? Pember especially makes an excellent arguement in "Earth's Earliest Ages." Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek words and languages are much more precise and descriptive than our English, it doesn't take a semitic language expert to determine that. The 40+ authors of our Bible, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, were precise in their wording for meaning. To be brief, because you have most likely done your own detailed study. I find the Hebrew word usage "created" and "made", in the context of Genesis and Exodus, two different forms [fashioned vs. created, ex nilo]: Exodus 31:17 (KJV) It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed. [emphasis added]. In the grand scheme of biblical doctrine, whichever view we adopt to take, only affects our hermeneutic view of history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnR7 Posted October 8, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,907 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 614 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/03/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/06/1952 Share Posted October 8, 2020 3 hours ago, Dennis1209 said: That's an interesting topic all on its own. So I take it you're an 'old earth' adherent and believe in the "gap theory"? The GAP is not much of a theory, it is ok for what what it does. Gerold Schroeder is the only OEC that makes any sense and is able to line up with science. I have no problem with Bishop Ussher's YEC if you consider he writes about the last 6,000 years and does not have much to say about what happened before that because they did not have that information 500 years ago. I was a theistic evolution with Frances Schafer until he gave us this virus. So that leaves his credibility highly questionable. So that puts us back to Evo Devo that has actually done something for Creationism. I have not read a lot of Sean B. Carroll, but what I have seen is very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnR7 Posted October 8, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,907 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 614 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/03/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/06/1952 Share Posted October 8, 2020 6 hours ago, Walter Goraj jr said: That "treasury of scripture knowledge" does sound pretty intriguing. I'll see if I can find it. They have a TSK button in Bible Hub. It is pretty amazing all the information they pack into their program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnR7 Posted October 8, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,907 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 614 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/03/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/06/1952 Share Posted October 8, 2020 7 hours ago, David1701 said: Everything was created in six days, not seven. The seventh day was when God rested from his creative work. This is why the 1,000 year Reign of Christ is a Sabbath when man will rest from his works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve morrow Posted October 8, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,059 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 376 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/15/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/07/1955 Share Posted October 8, 2020 PREDESTINED / CHOSEN ISAIAH 42:9 behold the former things are come to pass and new things do I declare before they spring forth I tell you of them JEREMIAH 31:31 behold the days come saith THE LORD that I will make a new covenant with the house of israel and with the house of judah HEBREWS 8:13 in that HE saith a new covenant HE hath made the first old now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away JOHN 12:48 HE THAT REJECTETH ME AND RECEIVETH NOT MY WORDS HATH ONE THAT JUDGETH HIM THE WORD THAT I HAVE SPOKEN THE SAME SHALL JUDGE HIM IN THE LAST DAY PSALM 25:10 ALL THE PATHS OF THE LORD ARE MERCY AND TRUTH UNTO SUCH ---AS KEEP HIS COVENANT AND HIS TESTIMONIES--- LUKE 1:50 AND HIS MERCY IS ON THEM THAT FEAR HIM FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION EPHESIANS 1:4 according as HE hath chosen us in HIM before the foundation of the world that we should be holy and without blame --BEFORE HIM IN LOVE-- 2:THESSALONIANS 2:13 but we are bound to give thanks always to GOD for you brethren beloved of THE LORD because GOD hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation ---THROUGH SANCTIFICATION OF THE SPIRIT AND BELIEF OF THE TRUTH -- JOHN 6:63 it is the spirit that quickeneth --THE FLESH PROFITETH NOTHING-- the words that I speak unto you they are spirit and they are life PSALM 19:1 the heavens declare the glory of GOD and the firmament showeth HIS handiwork PSALM 19:2 day unto day uttereth speech and night unto night showeth knowledge PSALM 19:3 THERE IS --NO SPEECH NOR LANGUAGE-- WHERE THEIR VOICE IS NOT HEARD ISAIAH 42:8 I AM THE LORD --- that is MY name and MY glory will I not give to another neither MY praise to graven images PSALM 18:3 I will call upon THE LORD ---WHO IS WORTHY TO BE PRAISED--- SO SHALL I BE SAVED FROM MY ENEMIES PSALM 145:3 GREAT IS THE LORD AND GREATLY TO BE PRAISED AND HIS GREATNESS IS UNSEARCHABLE ISAIAH 48:11 for mine own sake even for mine own sake will I do it --FOR HOW SHOULD MY NAME BE POLLUTED--AND I WILL NOT GIVE MY GLORY UNTO ANOTHER --48:12-- hearken unto ME o jacob and israel MY CALLED --I AM HE--I AM THE FIRST I ALSO AM THE LAST-- LOVING THE LORD JESUS CHRIST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted October 8, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,054 Content Per Day: 6.48 Reputation: 9,018 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Perhaps what we learn from the story is that God knew what Saul's intention was and nothing much more related to the OP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1701 Posted October 8, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.52 Reputation: 3,524 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted October 8, 2020 19 hours ago, JohnR7 said: This is why the 1,000 year Reign of Christ is a Sabbath when man will rest from his works. Actually, I agree with that principle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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