BeyondET Posted February 22, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,874 Content Per Day: 1.22 Reputation: 816 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/29/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/1968 Share Posted February 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Riverwalker said: That is not the context of this scripture it sure is can’t just plop childbirth and Eve being saved by it, it’s figurative statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LearningToLetGo Posted February 22, 2021 Group: Senior Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 37 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 717 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 660 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/21/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted February 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Riverwalker said: If you were locked in a dark closet for 7 days but had your cell phone that gave you the date and the time, would you be unaware of the date and the time? No, but what is the definition of a day? Conversations like this are essential to belief, since anyone who purports to know will inevitably be challenged. One can say it is written and that's enough. I respect that path but it's not the only one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverwalker Posted February 22, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 92 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,054 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 1,753 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/09/2014 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 22, 2021 Just now, BeyondET said: it sure is can’t just plop childbirth and Eve being saved by it, it’s figurative statement. No its no figurative, it was the way of the Old Testament Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverwalker Posted February 22, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 92 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,054 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 1,753 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/09/2014 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, LearningToLetGo said: No, but what is the definition of a day? Conversations like this are essential to belief, since anyone who purports to know will inevitably be challenged. One can say it is written and that's enough. I respect that path but it's not the only one. 24 hours, 1440 Minutes, 86,400 Seconds 1/365.25 of a year If you are on the moon, how long is a day? it takes 28 days for the sun to hit all the parts of the moon If you were outside of the galaxy where you could not see the sun, how long is a day? I am not saying you cannot speculate on the word....but you must always take it at it's word Edited February 22, 2021 by Riverwalker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeyondET Posted February 22, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,874 Content Per Day: 1.22 Reputation: 816 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/29/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/1968 Share Posted February 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, Riverwalker said: No its no figurative, it was the way of the Old Testament Surely the invention of chapter titles and verse numbering has turned things into a spluck fest of sort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverwalker Posted February 22, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 92 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,054 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 1,753 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/09/2014 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 22, 2021 Just now, BeyondET said: Surely the invention of chapter titles and verse numbering has turned things into a spluck fest of sort. in 1 Timothy, Paul was expressing the role of men and women and using Adam and Eve as the guideline. The particular verse you tried to apply to all women by wrongly misquoting the scripture applied to Eve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeyondET Posted February 22, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,874 Content Per Day: 1.22 Reputation: 816 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/29/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/1968 Share Posted February 22, 2021 10 minutes ago, Riverwalker said: in 1 Timothy, Paul was expressing the role of men and women and using Adam and Eve as the guideline. The particular verse you tried to apply to all women by wrongly misquoting the scripture applied to Eve to know why this was told as in 1 Timothy 15, why tell the widows to bear children. Because the culture in Ephesus was pagan religion, teachings that included child birth and marriage is a burden. the whole account is geared to teaching women of Ephesus a proper religion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regenerated-Adult Posted February 22, 2021 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 196 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 53 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/26/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted February 22, 2021 Please translate anything by Shakespeare into prose only, and I will agree with you that reading the Bible non-literally makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverwalker Posted February 22, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 92 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,054 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 1,753 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/09/2014 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 22, 2021 1 minute ago, BeyondET said: to know why this was told as in 1 Timothy 15, why tell the widows to bear children. Because the culture in Ephesus was pagan religion, teachings that included child birth and marriage is a burden. the whole account is geared to teaching women of Ephesus a proper religion By proper religion, do you mean the truth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverwalker Posted February 22, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 92 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,054 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 1,753 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/09/2014 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Regenerated-Adult said: Please translate anything by Shakespeare into prose only, and I will agree with you that reading the Bible non-literally makes no sense. If I remember correctly you do not accept the Bible as the word of God. So to you it would be only a piece of literature. If My memory is not correct, I apologize Poetry or prose there is no ambiguity to Shakespeare as there is no ambiguity to the bible Edited February 22, 2021 by Riverwalker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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