80% of Christians Do Not Hold to a PreTrib Rapture

[Diaste]

On 5/2/2021 at 5:48 PM, Ozarkbound said:

I don't think scripture supports a rapture. Christ's word in the parable of the Wheat and Tares refutes a rapture since the unbelievers are gathered first. I believe rapture theories came into fashion due to individuals trying to make money. 

"Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn."

I think this is just segregation and not an order of things. Both are happening at the same time from what I see. I see your point here but 1 Thess 4 and 1 Cor 15 and Matt 24 really do have evidence of harpazo.

 

[Diaste]

On 5/21/2021 at 4:58 PM, The Light said:

Agreed, there is a trend that less people can see that there will be an pretribulation rapture and likely the trend will continue, as the word tells us.

2 Timothy 3

3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

² For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

³ Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

⁴ Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

⁵ Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

⁶ For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

⁷ Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

 

Probably as likely the camp is divided between the several views.

It's funny how no matter the take the conviction is deep. 

[Diaste]

On 5/21/2021 at 5:10 PM, enoob57 said:

That's a relief The Scriptures say few there be that find it
Matt 7:14

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
KJV
 

I don't think ones view of harpazo is that narrow dangerous path that leads to life.

[enoob57]

47 minutes ago, Diaste said:

I don't think ones view of harpazo is that narrow dangerous path that leads to life.

I was referring to 80% that doesn't believe in pre trib rapture view... so as I do- so the remark  

[PeterR]

On 5/8/2021 at 12:49 AM, DeighAnn said:

Escape is a man made idea.  It is not written any where in Gods word.  
 

Luk 21:36  Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

 

Strong's G1628 - ekpheugō
from G1537 and G5343; to flee out:—escape, flee.

Outline of Biblical Usage - to flee out of, flee away; to seek safety in flight; to escape

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Heb 2:3  How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

1Th 5:3  For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

[PeterR]

3 hours ago, Diaste said:

On 5/22/2021 at 12:10 AM, enoob57 said:

That's a relief The Scriptures say few there be that find it
Matt 7:14

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
KJV
 

I don't think ones view of harpazo is that narrow dangerous path that leads to life.

Luk 12:23  The life is more than meat, and the body is more than raiment.

Luk 12:32-34  Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom. 
Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth. 
For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

 

Neglect or indifference (carnal Christianity), as well as asserting one's own infallibility, weakens vigilance. The broad road is easier to find and follow. Surely there is a difference between the faithful and the unfaithful servant and it seems to me that the faithful one is the one who finds the gate that is at the END of the road.

 

[Diaste]

1 hour ago, PeterR said:

Luk 21:36  Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

 

Strong's G1628 - ekpheugō
from G1537 and G5343; to flee out:—escape, flee.

Outline of Biblical Usage - to flee out of, flee away; to seek safety in flight; to escape

allG3956 these thingsG5023 that shallG3195 come to pass,G1096

Heb 2:3  How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

1Th 5:3  For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

I'm pretty sure her context is the pretrib view. What you defined is a personal, individual flight, not the vast corporate harpazo.

[Diaste]

41 minutes ago, Chicken coop2 said:

 However, the rapture can happen at any moment.  

There are no facts to support such a conclusion.

[PeterR]

57 minutes ago, Diaste said:

1 hour ago, Chicken coop2 said:

 However, the rapture can happen at any moment.  

There are no facts to support such a conclusion.

If I may ask, what facts do you expect?

[Diaste]

1 hour ago, PeterR said:

If I may ask, what facts do you expect?

For an imminent rapture? Idk, how about a verse that says it can happen any moment? Scripture tell us the gathering cannot happen till after certain events. Then it could be any moment, but only after those events which have not yet happened.

So, not today or tomorrow.