Montana Marv Posted September 5, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,150 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,092 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted September 5, 2023 1 hour ago, DeighAnn said: Who is having children? Those 1/3 of Israel who went trough the refining process Zech 13: 8,9 Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord God Almighty, and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord God Almighty they will have no rain..... Zech 14 16 - 19 In those days 10 men from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe..... Zech 8:23 None of which took the Mark or worshiped the Beast. In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted September 5, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,150 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,092 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted September 5, 2023 6 hours ago, FreeGrace said: Having Adam's seed won't really matter. The Bible says the whole world will rebel by the end of the MK and attack Jerusalem and the King. So God sends fire from heaven and fries ALL of them. Just to be resurrected back into their mortal bodies to face the GWT, and then be cast into the LOF. If they were not of the seed of Adam, they would not have followed Satan. They still had to choose. The seed of Adam, or the seed of Christ. On one group will follow Satan. In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted September 5, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,150 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,092 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted September 5, 2023 1 hour ago, FreeGrace said: What does this prove, please? His Glorification process did not happen until He went/Ascended to the Father. Similar to Moses face shining so bright they could not look at his face. Being in the presence of God on the Mountain. His Return. Rev 19:12 - His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transmogrified Posted September 5, 2023 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 795 Content Per Day: 0.50 Reputation: 98 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/18/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted September 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Montana Marv said: Why do the beheaded ones ask for their blood to be avenged. Stephen asked for those to be forgived. Stephen indwelt by the Holy Spirit. The Church has not changed to a different message. Different set of saint's in the 70th Week. Maybe Mormons J.W., And the like. In Christ Montana Marv The saints in the tribulation know the little horn will prevail against them until Jesus comes, they know what Daniel said will come to pass.. daniel saw till the thrones were cast down and the beast was killed and given to the burning flame, they know what John wrote that when Jesus comes the beast will be taken and cast into the lake of fire.. it is this beast that is killing these saints and their prayer is asking God how long will it be till you come and take vengeance on the beast… They know it will happen they are just asking how much longer will it be. You are treating them like they had some kind of bad attitude but God did not view them that way.. He said they were slain for the word of God and for the testimony they held.. not a condemnation, but a commendation… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transmogrified Posted September 5, 2023 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 795 Content Per Day: 0.50 Reputation: 98 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/18/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted September 5, 2023 12 hours ago, Montana Marv said: You stated all were transformed at the same time, last Trump. One has to be in heaven to return with Christ in the clouds at the Second Coming. When did the bride get there. The bride did not go through that hour of testing of Rev 3.10. They went up. All those of the bride are transformed at the same time. In Christ Montana Marv The bride consists of all the saints of all time - look it up she had a foundation of the 12 apostles and 12 gates with the twelve tribes.. that’s the scripture definition of the bride - They all got changed at the same time - Old and New Testament saints all got changed at the same time.. pre trib does not agree with the Scripture definition of the bride nor do they allow for the OT and trib saints to come down with Jesus .. God said all the saints - not part of the saints - Zech and Paul said all Saints, pre trib calls Old Testament believers saints and also call believers in the tribulation saints, yet according to pre trib they will not come back with Jesus…as the scripture plainly says they will. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeighAnn Posted September 5, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 6,301 Content Per Day: 3.56 Reputation: 1,658 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted September 5, 2023 8 hours ago, Montana Marv said: What other group can be identified as being Filled/Indwelt by the Holy Spirit? Only the Bride, since Pentecost. Many need to refresh themselves on; Who they are in Christ Jesus as the Bride. Or put it another way, What has Jesus Christ not done for you as the Bride. Has He done it All for you?? , or are there gaps. Rom 6:5 - If we have been united with him like this in his death, we be certainly be united with him in his resurrection. Do you see the wording here; We are united with him in HIS Resurrection, not our resurrection, or by his resurrection In Christ Montana Marv Ever read in as it as the words proceeded from GOD? YOU SHOULD, you always should do that FIRST. 5 If for UNITED we have become in the LIKENESS OF THE DEATH OF HIM CERTAINLY, ALSO OF THE RESURRECTION WE WILL BE 8 If NOW we died with Christ, WE BELIEVE that ALSO we will LIVE WITH HIM 4800. suzaó Strong's Concordance suzaó: to live with Original Word: συζάω Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: suzaó Phonetic Spelling: (sood-zah'-o) Definition: to live with Usage: I live together with. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto Myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. 4And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know. Not 'your spirit' or 'your soul' knows the way but YE know the way..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted September 5, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,150 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,092 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted September 5, 2023 23 minutes ago, transmogrified said: You are treating them like they had some kind of bad attitude but God did not view them that way.. He said they were slain for the word of God and for the testimony they held.. not a condemnation, but a commendation… That is why they are different from Us of the Church. Matt 5:12 - Rejoice and be glad when you are being persecuted..... When did the Bride/Church change direction. Stephen asked for his killers to be forgiven. These ask for their blood to be avenged, because of their killers. Night and day responses. Only one conclusion, there are two different groups of Believers here. One is the Bride (asks for forgiveness), the other is not of the Bride (asks for their blood to be avenged). Both are accepted by God, yet they are different. In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeighAnn Posted September 5, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 6,301 Content Per Day: 3.56 Reputation: 1,658 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted September 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Montana Marv said: Those 1/3 of Israel who went trough the refining process Zech 13: 8,9 Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord God Almighty, and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord God Almighty they will have no rain..... Zech 14 16 - 19 In those days 10 men from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe..... Zech 8:23 None of which took the Mark or worshiped the Beast. In Christ Montana Marv If the alive and remain are changed. So who does that leave? Or are you saying NOT ALL the alive and remaining are changed? Or that not all took the mark? Or that even though GODS ELECT would have been deceived, somehow there were tons of people, NOT even GODS ELECT weren't? Did that just get written wrong? Or just isn't that what God really meant? These verses seem pretty conclusive to me. How do we read these things so differently? "And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed." Revelation 13:15 KJV Are you saying that isn't true either? Is it partially true, but not all the way true? How is it EVERY verse is incorrect in one way or another? Don't you believe God has command of His languages? I just don't understand why you think everything isn't what it appears to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted September 5, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,150 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,092 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted September 5, 2023 18 minutes ago, DeighAnn said: Ever read in as it as the words proceeded from GOD? YOU SHOULD, you always should do that FIRST. 5 If for UNITED we have become in the LIKENESS OF THE DEATH OF HIM CERTAINLY, ALSO OF THE RESURRECTION WE WILL BE Have you been united to Christ or not. Have you been joined to Christ or not. We are joined to Christ in his Death, We are joined to Christ in his Baptism, We are joined to Christ in his Resurrection. All by the power of the Holy Spirit. What Scripture does not say is that we have been joined to Christ in his Ascension. So if Christ be risen, he considers us to be risen with him. We are already redeemed. One must be dead to be resurrected, Yet 2 Thes 4 states Those still Alive which have not died are raised up in the Harpozo. That proves they have not been in the grave, therefore one who is Alive cannot be Resurrected. According to what you Believe. I believe they cannot be resurrected either. They ascend Alive, because they have already been united in Christ's Resurrection, and have already been Crucified with Christ. In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted September 5, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,150 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,092 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted September 5, 2023 13 minutes ago, DeighAnn said: If the alive and remain are changed. So who does that leave? Where did you get this from. The survivors of the 70th Week went into the Mill. Who says they were changed. Not in Scripture. Remember from about the 5th Trumpet on, all mankind did not stop worship demons and idols. All mankind, Repeat All Mankind. 18 minutes ago, DeighAnn said: somehow there were tons of people, NOT even GODS ELECT weren't? You got it, Those survivors who attacked Jerusalem had to go year after year to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles, or no rain would fall on their nation. You got it, this are those demon and idol worshipers who came out of the 70th Week, but they had not received the MOTB , or worshiped the A/C. And yes these are still of the seed of Adam which will repopulate the earth for 1000 years. They need to be ruled with a rod of iron. Former demon and idol worshipers. Who said they were God's Elect, many are not, but those 1/3 of Israel are his elect. I know you will not comprehend this. Why try, Your set on Post-Trib, yet you cannot deny that all/rest mankind from the 5th Trumpet on were demon and idol worshipers as Scripture says. That would put anyone near the end of the 70th Week as all demon and idol worshipers. Let that sink in. That is why I am not Post-Trib. In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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