Defense of the Post Trib Rapture

[Uriah]

9 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

All the word "angel," a transliteration of the Greek word "aggelos," means is "messenger."

This doesn't do anything. Just straining.

[Retrobyter]

8 hours ago, transmogrified said:

I had said, 

"Nope. Follow the logic a bit more carefully: Yes, the harvest is the end of this age. It is a point in time when the wicked will be rewarded, but the righteous have already BEEN rewarded. See, their resurrection (if they weren't still living) happened at the Second Coming which PRECEDED the Millennium."

First look at this quote:

You quoted me as "It is a point in time when the wicked will be rewarded, but the righteous have already BEEN rewarded."

The above quote changes the narrative from 'let both grow together UNTIL the harvest,' to 'let the wheat be harvested BEFORE the harvest.' This is known because the first part of the quote establishes when the harvest is...it is said to [be] the end of this age. But then it is stated that the wheat have already been rewarded BEFORE this point in time. But the scripture does not say the wheat is harvested before the wicked, but rather they both grow together UNTIL the harvest.

The problem here is simple: Don't confuse the "Harvest" with the "Resurrections" or the "Rewards." This parable is NOT talking about the resurrections! It is talking about the "children of the wicked one" being in the Kingdom of the Messiah WITH the "children of the Kingdom!" That's ALL He is trying to say in this parable!

Now, we've got a problem with that: First, the Kingdom of the Messiah will last for a thousand years BEFORE the End of the Age, and not everyone who enters into this Kingdom of the Messiah will be new bodies! ONLY THOSE WHO BELONG TO THE MESSIAH will be new bodies, bodies that are IMMORTAL, INCORRUPTIBLE (UNABLE TO DECAY), GLORIFIED (ABLE TO SHINE BRIGHTLY), and able to live for a THOUSAND YEARS (and MORE)! The children of the wicked one will NOT be new bodies! They will NOT have been resurrected; therefore, they will still grow old and die and decay! What can you say about the "tares" that last only so long and won't live until the Harvest? Well, what do weeds do better than any other plant? They GROW and PROLIFERATE! I believe this is what He meant when He said, "26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also." The children of the wicked one couldn't "bring forth fruit" like the children of the Kingdom could! They didn't have life in themselves, like the children of the Kingdom did! Instead, they grew old and died! It showed them for who they were!

8 hours ago, transmogrified said:

Compare the next two quotes to see another  contradiction:

Quote #1:

Then, you quoted me: "

Yes, the harvest is the end of this age. It is a point in time when the wicked will be rewarded,"

Quote #2:

And, you quoted me again: "

The Great White Throne Judgment, where the wicked will be "rewarded," is AFTER the 1,000 years! (Rev. 20:7-15)."

Quote #1  says the harvest is THE END of this age, WHEN the wicked will be REWARDED

Quote #2 says the wicked will be rewarded AFTER the 1000 years. 

One quote is saying the wicked will be rewarded at the END of the 1000 years, the next quote says the wicked will be rewarded AFTER the 1000 years. So the question is, are the wicked dead rewarded at the END of the 1000 years or AFTER the 1000 years? What is going on?

The two quotes are quotes from Scriptures and are therefore both true. Consequentially, it is important for US to harmonize the two, to see the whole picture.

The following harmonization is my way of seeing how they can both be true:

The order is this:

The Justified by God are resurrected as new bodies at the Second Coming of the Messiah Yeshua` (1 Corinthians 15:22-23).
The Land is won back from the Gentiles in the Messiah's War for the Land of Israel.
The Kingdom begins, and Yeshua` is acknowledged to be the King of Israel (Revelation 11:15-20:3).
The Kingdom has within it the "children of the Kingdom," those who are the "Justified by God" and have been resurrected as new bodies, AND the "children of the wicked one," who have NOT been so resurrected. (Matthew 13:24-30, 36-43).
The Kingdom lasts LONGER than a single, normal lifetime of "75 to 80" years, and these "children of the wicked one" are revealed as "tares." (Psalm 90:10).
As a people, they have CHILDREN of their own, and they also continue in the service of the Kingdom of the Yeshua` the Messiah of God.
He rules and reigns for a THOUSAND YEARS (Revelation 20:4-6), and during that time, Paul said He would "subdue all of His enemies." (1 Corinthians 15:24-28a). So, at the END of the THOUSAND YEARS, there are NO enemies left not subdued, except for "death."
It is THEN that haSatan (Hebrew for "the Enemy") is released from the bottomless pit, and he is given that "little season" in which to "deceive the nations" again for one last showdown! (Revelation 20:3, 7-10).
In the process, the devil, haSatan, enlists the help of the "tares," the "children of the wicked one," and "they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city (old Jerusalem): and fire came down from God out of heaven (out of the sky), and devoured them." (Revelation 20:7-10).
AFTER this, we read the following from Revelation 20:

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it (Yeshua`), from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away (LITERALLY, the air and the dirt flew away!); and there was found no place for them (having no place to accumulate, they swirled around until the dirt and the air were scattered over the face of the globe). 

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

This is said in Hebraic order, that is, the important outline is given first, and then John focuses on the details within that outline. Verse 12 INCLUDES the individual steps within verses 13 through 15. Thus, the chronological order is:

THE RESURRECTION OF THE UNJUST
The sea gave up the dead which were in it.
Death and the grave gave up the dead which were in them.

THE JUDGMENT OF THE UNJUST
The ones who had been dead (resurrected), small and great, stood before God.
They (the ones who had been dead) were then judged out of those things which were written in the books, and every man was judged according to their works.
Whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the Lake of Fire.

THE LAST ENEMY IS DESTROYED
Then, death and the grave were cast into the Lake of Fire, and THIS is the "second death."

And, THIS CONCLUDES the Age! The earth is now harvested, and the Justified by God are escorted into the "barn of God the Father," and the tares, the UNJUST, are burned up in the Fire and cast into the Lake of Fire.

So, yes, the "end of the Age" and the "end of the 1,000 years" are two different times, BUT they are only divided by the "little season" and the final battle between "Gog and Magog" and the "the camp of the saints, and the beloved city," as well as the Great White Throne Judgment.

8 hours ago, transmogrified said:

Look at this verse:

Then you quote, "

And cast him (the devil) into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that (after the 1000 years) he must be loosed a little season." (Revelation 20:3).

So everything is going along as normal throughout the entire 1000 year span...the devil is bound and he is not deceiving the nations throughout the entire 1000 year period...in other words the full 1000 years time period has expired, or has been completed. It then states that AFTER the 1000 years are finished, or completed, the devil is loosed for a little season:

 Is then the Great White Throne judgment at the END of the 1000 years or is it AFTER the 1000 years have expired?

The Great White Throne judgment is AFTER the 1000 years have expired.

8 hours ago, transmogrified said:

If it happens on this side of the 1000 years it would  be called the 'end of this age,' or 'the end of the 1000 years,' but if it happens on the other side of the 1000 years then it would be called AFTER the 1000 years are finished, and not 'the end of the age.'

NO! The "(end of) the 1000 years" IS NOT "the end of this age!" That's a popular misrepresentation, but it is not detailed enough! It is a generalization that messes up people's conclusions!

8 hours ago, transmogrified said:

These might be considered trivial, but the scripture plainly states that when the entire 1000 year period is finished, or expired, or has been completed, that AFTER this period of time Satan is loosed out of his prison.

So step back and see what is going on..the devil is bound for the entire 1000 year period, and has not been deceiving the nations throughout the whole time. So when the 1000 year period comes to its close and the clock ticks past the 1000 year point in time something happens. Step back again. Did the Great White Throne happen at any point during the 1000 year period? No, it has not take place yet..nothing had transpired at all UNTIL Satan was loosed out of his prison AFTER this period of time had elapsed.

What does that mean? It means there was no resurrection of the wicked BEFORE the 1000 years was finished. This is how it is worded:

'But the rest of the dead did not live again UNTIL the thousand years was FINISHED.' This cannot be construed to mean 'But the rest of the dead lived again BEFORE the 1000 years was finished.' No. It says they DID NOT live again UNTIL the 1000 years was finished, or completed.

If they did not live again UNTIL the 1000 years was finished, then there also was no Great White Throne judgment before the 1000 years was finished. This means the Great White Throne did not take place 'at the END of this age' as alleged, but rather took place AFTER the 1000 years was finished.

Everything you said here was accurate UNTIL your final conclusion! The "END of this age" is NOT the "end of the 1,000 years!" THAT'S the fallacy! The "end of the 1,000 years" is just that, the "end of the 1,000 years!" It's neither the "end of this age," nor is it the "end of the Kingdom of God's Christ!" It's the "end of the FIRST ONE THOUSAND YEARS of the Reign of God's Christ," but His Kingdom will last "FOREVER and of His Kingdom there shall be NO END!" (Luke 1:30-33).

8 hours ago, transmogrified said:

Satan was loosed after the thousand years and went out to deceive the nations. It was after the thousand years that God destroyed Gog and Magog...it was AT THIS POINT that John saw a Great White Throne...

Rev. 20:7 says

So we can see that the devil is not loosed out of his prison UNTIL the 1000 years are expired, or completed...to emphasize this point in time it says he is loosed for a little season AFTER the thousand years are finished as it says here:

What I am getting at is that the phrase in Matthew 13 where it uses the phrase two times saying the 'the end of the age', or 'the end of this age,' cannot be construed to mean the end of the 1000 years as alleged, because the Great White Throne does not take place at the end of this age, but rather takes place AFTER the 1000 years are finished.

Below is a summary of the events that transpire AFTER the 1000 years are finished:

Rev. 20:7 - After the thousand years are expired, Satan is loosed out of his prison...(we are now in the time frame on the other side of the 1000 years) 

Rev. 20:8 - He goes out to deceive the nations...gathers Gog and Magog against the saints... (still on the other side of the 1000 years) 

Rev. 20:9- They compass the city and fire comes down out of heaven and destroys them...

Rev. 20:10 - Devil is cast into the lake of fire.. (still on the other side of the 1000 years) 

Rev. 20:11- John sees a Great White Throne..heaven and earth flees away (still on the other side of the 1000 years) 

Rev. 20:12 -The dead are resurrected and judged..(on the other side of the 1000 years) 

Rev. 20:13 - More detail on the resurrection...the sea gives up the dead...death and hell give up the dead and they are judged

Rev. 20:14  - Death and hell are cast in the lake of fire...

Rev. 20:15 - Whoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire..

You can see from the above events that are described to take place AFTER the 1000 years that the resurrection,  judgement and rewards of the dead take place on the other side of the 1000 years and not at the end of the 1000 years. .

What this shows is that the end of THIS age as spoken of in Matthew, when the tares are cast into the fire can not be referring to the Great White Throne for the Great White Throne does not happen at the end of this age, but rather  on the other side of the 1000 years. For the premise to be true that the tares in Matthew 13 are not resurrected until the Great White Throne judgment, the wording in Matthew 13 would have to be changed from this:

"

As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world."

To this:

As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be AFTER the thousand years are expired.

Not at all, IF one understands that the "end of this world (age)" IS "after the thousand years are expired!" The "end of this word (age)" does NOT occur at the end of the 1,000 years!"

8 hours ago, transmogrified said:

From this: 

1) In the end of this age...

To this:

2) After the thousand years are finished...

We could look up original Greek or any translation available and it does not say that:

NIV - so it will be at the end of the age.

ESV - so will it be at the end of the age.

Berean - so will it be in the consummation of the age.

Literal Standard - so will it be in the full end of this age also getting at is that the end of this age,

Literal Emphasis - thus it will be in the culmination of the age.

Mace - at the conclusion of the age.

Weymouth - so will it be at the Close of the Age.

What is the problem here? The word 'IN' in the phrase 'in the end of this age,' does not  mean 'AFTER'

Satan can not be loosed AFTER the 1000 years are finished and also be loosed BEFORE the 1000 years are finished. 

There is no definition in Websters in which the word 'in' is defined as 'after.' They are two completely different words with two completely different meanings.

Here is how Strongs #1722 for the word 'in' is defined:

Here is how Strongs #3326 for the word 'after' is defined:

The solution is to accept the wording as it states in Matthew 13. The tares are resurrected IN the end of THIS age, and not AFTER the 1000 years are finished.

I really do appreciate the work that you've shown you've put into this reasoning, but you're still coming away with a faulty conclusion! The "end of THIS age" is NOT "the end of the 1,000 years!" THAT'S your problem!

8 hours ago, transmogrified said:

This also places the end of this age in its proper place which is at the Second Coming, at which time both the wheat and the tares are resurrected, judged and rewarded.

No, see this is a conclusion you've drawn from your faulty conclusion that the "end of THIS age" is "the end of the 1,000 years." The tares are NOT resurrected at the Second Coming, nor is the "end of this age" at the Second Coming! The Second Coming is BEFORE the 1,000 years BEGIN! And, ONLY the Justified by God are resurrected in the Second Coming! Paul said,

1 Corinthians 15:20-28 (KJV)

20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order:

(0) Christ the firstfruits;
(1) afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 
24 (2) Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, "all things are put under him," it is manifest that "he" is excepted, which (who) did "put all things under him." 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

8 hours ago, transmogrified said:

The premise that the tares are resurrected at the end of this age cannot be true, as long as the end of this age is construed to mean at the end of the 1000 years, for there is no resurrection at the end of the 1000 years...

EXACTLY TRUE! That's why the "end of the 1,000 years" is NOT NOT NOT the "end of this age!"

8 hours ago, transmogrified said:

There is no problem with the wording of Matthew 13 if the resurrection of the wheat and the tares occurs at the Second Coming. Why? 

Because the resurrection of the saints happens on 'The Last Day.' What does this mean? It means it happens on the last day of this age. The resurrection of the righteous is never stated to take place AFTER the last day, but ON the last day. This is the true point in time that it is called 'the end of this age.'

I can see that this is a problem for you, too. The "Last Day" IS the time at and after the Second Coming which includes the 1,000 years! Yeshua` as the Messiah of God is said to be the "SUN of righteousness!" (Malachi 4:2).

Malachi 4:1-6 (KJV)

1 "For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up," saith the LORD of hosts, "that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. 2 BUT unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. 3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this," saith the LORD of hosts.

4 "Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.

5 "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: 6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse."

And, Peter tells us,

2 Peter 3:7-13 (KJV)

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment (the Great White Throne judgment) and perdition (condemnation; destruction) of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that ONE DAY IS WITH THE LORD AS A THOUSAND YEARS, AND A THOUSAND YEARS AS ONE DAY. 9 THE LORD is not slack (lazy) concerning his promise, as some men count slackness (laziness); but IS LONGSUFFERING TO US-WARD, NOT WILLING THAT ANY SHOULD PERISH, BUT THAT ALL SHOULD COME TO REPENTANCE.

10 BUT the (whole, 1,000-year) day of the Lord WILL come as a thief in the night; IN THE WHICH the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, WHEREIN the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

The FIRE is a PORTION of the Day of YHWH (the LORD) God, occurring at the END of the Day, but the Day lasts while the SUN of Righteousness is present, throughout the 1,000 years and beyond!

8 hours ago, transmogrified said:

The Second Coming is the true dividing line between this age that we are in now and the age which is to come, rather than at the end of the 1000 years.

No. The Second Coming is BEFORE the 1,000 years begin, BUT it is NOT at "the true dividing line between this age that we are in now and the age which is to come!" Instead, the Second Coming AND the 1,000 years are both BEFORE the "end of this age!"

8 hours ago, transmogrified said:

This is how Caiphas can see Jesus coming in the clouds. If Caiphas is not resurrected until the after the thousand years are finished, he would not see Jesus coming in the clouds, for Jesus had already came approximately 1000 years before this. 

Blessings to you- Gary 

As one of the children of Israel, Yosef ben-Caiaphas, will also be resurrected when the others are resurrected at the opening of the Fifth Seal; so, he SHALL be alive to see the sign of the Coming of the Messiah in the sky at the opening of the Sixth Seal:

Revelation 6:9-17 (KJV)

9 And when he had opened THE FIFTH SEAL, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10And they cried with a loud voice, saying,

"How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?"

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

12 And I beheld when he had opened THE SIXTH SEAL, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks,

"Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

As I've tried to tell another member of this forum, the Greek words translated as "the souls" are "tas psuchas," the plural accusative form of "psuchee." The word is a DIRECT translation word for the Hebrew word "nefesh." BOTH words mean "air-breathing-creature." This is not some scene from "Heaven"; this is a scene from EARTH, and these are people who had been dead and were now air-breathing! They were RESURRECTED people!

The sixth seal is the sun, moon, and stars sign that accompanies the sign of the Second Coming!

Matthew 24:29-31 (KJV)

29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

I honestly hope this has helped you, and that I haven't just opened you up to a whole bunch of other questions that distract you from these passages we've been discussing. May the LORD bless you, as well.

[Uriah]

1 hour ago, Retrobyter said:

As I've tried to tell another member of this forum, the Greek words translated as "the souls" are "tas psuchas,"

 

The KJV translates Strong's G5590 in the following manner: soul (58x), life (40x), mind (3x), heart (1x), heartily (with G1537) (1x), not translated (2x).

 

1. breath

   1. the breath of life

      1. the vital force which animates the body and shows itself in breathing

         1. of animals

         2. of men

   2. life

   3. that in which there is life

      1. a living being, a living soul

2. the soul

   1. the seat of the feelings, desires, affections, aversions (our heart, soul etc.)

   2. the (human) soul in so far as it is constituted that by the right use of the aids offered it by God it can attain its highest end and secure eternal blessedness, the soul regarded as a moral being designed for everlasting life

   3. the soul as an essence which differs from the body and is not dissolved by death (distinguished from other parts of the body)

   4. ψυχή psychḗ, psoo-khay'; from G5594; breath, i.e. (by implication) spirit, abstractly or concretely (the animal sentient principle only; thus distinguished on the one hand from G4151, which is the rational and immortal soul; and on the other from G2222, which is mere vitality, even of plants: these terms thus exactly correspond respectively to the Hebrew H5315, H7307 and H2416):—heart (+ -ily), life, mind, soul, + us, + you.

   5. c. the soul as an essence which differs from the body and is not dissolved by death (distinguished from τό σῶμα, as the other part of human nature (so in Greek writings from Isocrates and Xenophon down; cf. examples in Passow, under the word, p. 2589{a} bottom; Liddell and Scott, under the word, II. 2)): Matthew 10:28, cf. 4 Macc. 13:14 (it is called ἀθάνατος, Herodotus 2, 123; Plato Phaedr., p. 245 c., 246 a., others; ἄφθαρτος, Josephus, b. j. 2, 8, 14; διαλυθῆναι τήν ψυχήν ἀπό τοῦ σώματος, Epictetus diss. 3, 10, 14); the soul freed from the body, a disembodied soul, Acts 2:27, 31 Rec.; Revelation 6:9; Revelation 20:4 (Wis. 3:1; (on the Homeric use of the word, see Ebeling, Lex. Homer, under the word, 3, and references at the end, also Proudfit in Bib. Sacr. for 1858, pp. 753-805)).

Edited May 19, 2022 by Uriah

[transmogrified]

2 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

So, yes, the "end of the Age" and the "end of the 1,000 years" are two different times,

Matthew 13 says the harvest is in the end of this age. The wheat is gathered into the barn and the tares are burned at the same time. 

The specified time for when these events  occur is in the end of this age. This means they will not happen before the end of this age, nor will they happen after the end of this age. 

 

When is the end of this age?

Blessings to you

[Uriah]

3 hours ago, transmogrified said:

When is the end of this age?

When this happens:

Rev 11:15- And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

[Retrobyter]

3 hours ago, transmogrified said:

Matthew 13 says the harvest is in the end of this age. The wheat is gathered into the barn and the tares are burned at the same time. 

The specified time for when these events  occur is in the end of this age. This means they will not happen before the end of this age, nor will they happen after the end of this age. 

 

When is the end of this age?

Blessings to you

Shalom, transmogrified.

The direct end of this age is the Fire and the Great White Throne Judgment thereafter. THAT is the harvest: The Unjust are properly judged and sentenced to the Lake of Fire, and the Justified by God are ushered into the safety of the New Earth and its New Sky.

That's it; that's all one needs to know. The Resurrections are so people can meet Yeshua`, one way or another.

[Retrobyter]

5 hours ago, Uriah said:

When this happens:

Rev 11:15- And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Shalom, Uriah.

Don't mislead people! When the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our LORD and of His Messiah, that's just the BEGINNING of His reign! That is NOT the "end of the age!" To the contrary, it's just the BEGINNING of the 1,000-year reign of the Messiah. The END of the age, happens after the Fire and the GWTJ, both of which occur AFTER the 1,000 years and the "little season" that haSatan needs to gather his troops.

[Uriah]

6 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

The END of the age, happens after the Fire and the GWTJ, both of which occur AFTER the 1,000 years and the "little season" that haSatan needs to gather his troops.

As I have said before, as far as I am concerned the following highlighted verses are intended to be parenthetic. 

Rev 20:6-11- Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

( And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever) 

And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 

This complies with the teaching of Jesus about the sheep and goats, the net, etc. It eliminates the contorted outcomes of multiple resurrections not listed as well. After those highlighted words, the narrative continues pertaining to the beginning of the 1,000 yr. period of Christ reigning, not the end of it.

[Retrobyter]

14 minutes ago, Uriah said:

As I have said before, as far as I am concerned the following highlighted verses are intended to be parenthetic. 

Rev 20:6-11- Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

( And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever) 

And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 

This complies with the teaching of Jesus about the sheep and goats, the net, etc. It eliminates the contorted outcomes of multiple resurrections not listed as well. After those highlighted words, the narrative continues pertaining to the beginning of the 1,000 yr. period of Christ reigning, not the end of it.

Shalom, Uriah.

That's like saying, "Oh, I consider the following just a parenthetical phrase about World War II":

"And they dropped nuclear bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima!"

[Uriah]

13 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

That's like saying, "Oh, I consider the following just a parenthetical phrase about World War II"

Nope. I consider this to be a major overlooked fact that has caused major confusion.

The original manuscripts had NO punctuation and so it contributed to the oversight.