Israel in Prophesy (still future vs 1948)

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Looking deeper at Jer 30, we see the following phrase repeated: 

Jer 30:3 KJV For, lo, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will BRING AGAIN THE CAPTIVITY of my people Israel and Judah, saith the LORD: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.

 

The timing for that follows. There is a reference to the Tribulation, in verse 6 and 7. How there was never a time like this, and the labor pains comparison. That is clear. Then in verse 9 we see that they serve Je3sus in this time (David). That was not in 1948. Then it says there will be peace and none will make them afraid. NOT TODAY! Then it says He will completely end all nations, obviously that has never happened. And in these days we see that their wound is incurable, so that is just before He returns obviously and cures em! Then, as verse 17 states, He restores and heals them. Not before.

 

 

And Eze 38,39 gives us the timing of when God brings again their captivity, 

Eze 39:25-29 KJV ²⁵ Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD;

NOW will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;

^{26 AFTER}  that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid. ²⁷ When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations; ²⁸ Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there. ²⁹ Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

Would you then agree that God brings again the captivity of the whole house of Israel takes place AFTER Gog has attacked "my people" dwelling in "my land"?

 

There will be a period of basically false peace before the big invasion there. Remember that the AntiChrist breaks the covenant. That time is not after they are healed, not before.

 

 

Eze 38:14-16 KJV ¹⁴ Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it? ¹⁵

 

I would have to agree with the Almighty here, when His people dwell safely, we'll know it!

 

And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army: ¹⁶ And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.]

 

That land is His, that's for sure.

Surely you can agree that they will have to be dwelling in the land in peace BEFORE he brings again their captivity.   

Not real peace, no way. I don't expect much of a 'captivity' either at that time. What was it, 4 or 5 sixths will be killed, and the remnant will repent when they see Him. THEN He brings them back.

 

I can agree with you that they may not be dwelling in the land in peace right now,  but we don't know how long it will be before Gog attacks.  I would even agree that not ALL of Israel is there now.   But when they build their temple,  Deuteronomy requires that ALL males must gather in Jerusalem 3 times a year [At the feasts of Unleavened bread,  Weeks, and Tabernacles], or else be cut off from the congregation.  That is when they will be able to say peace and safety,  when they will be allowed to return in peace. 

That is a good point. Many will travel there. However, are not most Jews basically unbelievers today? Why would they bother?

 

Can you agree to:

Amo 9:14-15 KJV ¹⁴ And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them. ¹⁵ And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.

So,  when we look again at Eze 39:25ff where you say that: 

 

Eze 39:27 KJV When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;

Refers to when God gathers them back; WHEN does that happen?  Before or after Gog attacks "my people" dwelling in "my land"?

 

Well, they cry out to Jesus at the very end of the Tribulation. Just before that the nations are gathered together in Israel to fight God and Israel. They need not have repented for Satan to want to kill and fight them, just ask Hitler!

 

[rdclmn72]

You have Dt 30 and Zechariah 12 describing the return of Israel in the end time, and how they have been protected until now. At some point that protection will be removed bringing in the last invasion described in Zechariah 14.

[Keras]

I will give the Land to new owners:

Zephaniah 3:1-8 Woe to the place of oppression, filthy and defiled, they heed no warning voice and ignore God’s rebukes. They won’t take correction or place their trust in their Creator. Their leaders have no concern for the people and prophet and priest alike profane the Holy Scriptures.

The people who ‘won’t take correction and trust their Creator’, is the Jewish State of Israel.

 

The Lord has judged and punished them before, their land laid waste and the towns deserted and He thought: surely now they will fear Me and will accept instruction, but they continue on in their evil deeds and they show no shame for it.

Judah has been punished and exiled before; by Babylon and by Rome.  But as Ezekiel 21:14 tells us, there will be a third time.

 

Therefore: look out for Me, for the Day when I will stand up to witness against you, on the Day that I execute justice upon the nations, for I will pour out My fierce anger and the whole earth will be enveloped by the fire of My wrath.

This will be the great and terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and fiery wrath against the nations. Prophesied in the Bible over 100 times. Habakkuk 3:12 2 Peter 3:7, Revelation 6:12-17, +

 

Zephaniah 3:11-13 On that Day, Jerusalem, I shall wipe away your shame for all the transgressions committed in you, for I shall remove all your proud and arrogant citizens, only the humble and peaceful people will remain and those who never practise evil or speak lies, they will settle in the Land and nothing will disturb them.

This is the great Second Exodus of all of God’s people into all of the holy Land. Every faithful Christian: a vast multitude from every tribe, race, nation and language. Isaiah 66:18-21, Ezekiel 34:11-31, Romans 9:24=26, Revelation 7:9 and the amazing stories in Psalms 107.

 

Zephaniah 3:9-10 They will all know a pure language, so everyone will know the true Name of the Lord and will praise Him with one accord. My worshippers, all the righteous people will come from afar to worship the Lord and bring offerings to Him.    People from every race, nation and language, all the born again Christian people, will travel there to live, in the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, while the rest of the world is ruled by a One World Government.  Daniel 7:23, Revelation 17:12

 

Zephaniah 3:14-17 Daughter of Jerusalem; sing for joy! For the Lord has taken away your punishments and has cast out your enemies. Now the Lord is with you and you need never again fear disaster.

On the Day of the Lord’s wrath; This is the message for My people: Fear not, stand firm in your faith, your God will keep you safe and will rejoice over you.

Ref: REB, CJB, KJV. Some verses condensed and paraphrased.

 

This chapter of Zephaniah encapsulates the soon to happen end times story.

It tells how Jerusalem, the holy Land is denigrated by its ungodly inhabitants and will rejoice when they are gone.

How those enemies of the Lord, the evil neighbors, Jeremiah 12:14, and all who reject the Salvation of Jesus, will be uprooted and gone, then the holy Land resettled by the Lord’s faithful believers.  Ezekiel 34:11-31 tells it plainly.

 

Jeremiah 7:30-34 & 8:1-13 The people of Judah have done wrong, they worship idols and have no regard for their Creator....Therefore, the time is coming when I shall fill the valley of Topeth with their corpses.......All the survivors of this wicked race, from wherever I have banished them, would rather die than live.  Isaiah 22:14

...Judah is incurable in their waywardness......I listen, but I hear not one word of remorse ....My people do not know the Judgements of the Lord.  How can you say: We are wise and we have the Law of God, when your scribes and priests have falsified it? The wise are shamed and where is wisdom in them?

Therefore I will give their wives to others and give their land to new owners, for all of their prophets and priests are frauds....on My Day of reckoning, they will fall with a great crash. I shall surely consume them says the Lord and there will be no grapes on the vine, [Israel] and no figs on the fig tree. [Judah]

 

We Christians are told by Paul in 1 Thessalonians 5:4-5, that we should know God’s plans for what will happen in the near future. Zephaniah 3 gives it to us, confirmed by the sequence of Revelation chapters 6-7.                                                          

 

What is presented to you in these scriptures, is God’s Promises to His faithful people, His blessings of peace and prosperity, of joy and happiness, of security and long life, as all who love Him and keep the Commandments; will live in His Land.

It is the prophetic parallel of ancient Israel, where Jesus led the people through the desert and how most of them refused to accept the Promise. 1 Corinthians 10:6-13

Ezekiel 20:34-38 tells how, once again, some of His people will revolt and rebel and they will not be allowed to enter the Land of Israel.  

 

In today’s situation, we have many who have accepted the Gospel, but who have chosen their own beliefs about what God intends to do for His people and during this forthcoming test, 1 Peter 4:12, they may fail to stand firm in their trust that the Lord will protect them. This won’t lose their salvation, but it will be a serious disadvantage, 1 Corinthians 3:13-15

 

The great chapter of Isaiah 35:1-10, is one of the many prophesies that describe the Lord’s faithful Christian people entering the holy Land, says: ...no one unclean will go there....The Lord’s people, set free: will enter Zion with shouts of triumph.