Arrabon Posted July 24, 2021 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 537 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 587 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/30/2021 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 24, 2021 On 7/22/2021 at 12:05 AM, Justin Adams said: A wall of words just confuses people. @Justin Adams Then why are there so many who post them here??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted July 24, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 9,608 Content Per Day: 3.92 Reputation: 7,804 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted July 24, 2021 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Arrabon said: @Justin Adams Then why are there so many who post them here??? They are insecure and shotgun in hopes that some may find the target. They do not seem to be able to see the target clearly. Edited July 24, 2021 by Justin Adams 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve morrow Posted July 25, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,068 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 377 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/15/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/07/1955 Share Posted July 25, 2021 GLORY IN THE LORD 1 JOHN 4:14 and we have seen and do testify that THE FATHER sent THE SON to be ---the saviour of the world JOHN 5:43 I am come in MY FATHERS name and --you receive ME not if another come in his own name him you will receive --5:44--how can you believe which receive honor one of another and seek not the honour that cometh from GOD only *******JOHN 12:43 for they loved the praise of men more than the praise of GOD******* LUKE 4:4 and JESUS answered him saying it is written that man ---shall not live--- by bread alone ---but by every word of GOD MARK 8:35 for whsoever will save his life shall lose it but whosoever shall lose his life --for MY sake and the gospels-- the same shall save it 2 THESSALONIANS 1:7 and to you who are troubled rest with us when THE LORD JESUS shall be revealed from heaven from heaven with HIS mighty angels --1:8-- in flaming fire taking --vengeance--on them that know not GOD and that ---obey not the gospel--- of our LORD JESUS CHRIST --- 1 PETER 1:25 but the word of THE LORD endureth forever and this is the word which --by the gospel is preached unto you LOVING THE LORD JESUS CHRIST 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrabon Posted July 25, 2021 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 537 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 587 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/30/2021 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 25, 2021 (edited) On 7/23/2021 at 11:32 AM, Your closest friendnt said: The above scripture is telling us that even though the churches of the saints they defer in a lot of things God gives them peace. In other words the churches of the saints they are not correct in everything but inspite of that God gives them peace. In spite of their differences in teaching and in spite of confusion in some doctrinal matters, in the above scripture they are all called saints. We must understand that all those churches preach that Jesus Christ died for the forgiveness of our sins. Because this is what unifies all those churches their belief that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who did not only die but also raised from the dead and he is Glorified by the Heavenly Father. God gives them peace not because they do not have any confusion but because they believe in his Son Jesus Christ. Can we bring our selves to accept that, that as the above scripture suggest the first thing we should look is if someone believes in the core of the Gospel "that Jesus Christ died for the forgiveness of our sins ". Can we bring our selves to see everyone who believes in Jesus Christ as a saint in His name, in Jesus Christ righteousness. And accept that God is giving them peace because they have believe in his Son Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 14:33 33 For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints. @Your closest friendnt So what I think I hear you saying, is that all the differing ways to be saved are acceptable, because "they have believed in His son Jesus Christ." A kind of universal. all encompassing faith, so the masses can be saved. Have I got that right? Edited July 25, 2021 by Arrabon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted July 25, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,054 Content Per Day: 6.42 Reputation: 9,018 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted July 25, 2021 What is happening here! Aren't we all aware that there is only one way to be saved? This is very confusing to folks--those especially that are new in the faith. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrabon Posted July 25, 2021 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 537 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 587 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/30/2021 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 25, 2021 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Alive said: What is happening here! Aren't we all aware that there is only one way to be saved? This is very confusing to folks--those especially that are new in the faith. @Alive If your talking to me, I'm just tryin to figure out what is being said here. Edited July 25, 2021 by Arrabon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alive Posted July 25, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,054 Content Per Day: 6.42 Reputation: 9,018 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2021 On 7/20/2021 at 1:41 PM, Arrabon said: God in His word says that their is a cost to pay for our salvation in several ways, What we know to be true and is agreed upon throughout the church history is that God Himself paid the price required in full, by manifesting on earth in the form of Adam as a substitution and thus suffered and died in our stead---taking upon Himself all of the judgement that we all deserved and so much more. He singularly and totally redeemed (bought back) those that are 'In Christ' of and by the will of the Father by Grace alone and through the gift of faith for all of His Elect. Our Lord and Savior paid the price in full---period. He is our Salvation. Subsequent to our Salvation, there is a cost to be paid as we deny ourselves in following Him---but that speaks to those who have been saved. Past tense. And even those things are works that the Father had determined before we were born, that we would walk in them. Its important to be clear on these things. Many are reading. There is indeed much confusion in the world--let's not contribute. I've typed this for those reading, who may be confused and have questions. 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted July 25, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,932 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,785 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted July 25, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Arrabon said: @Your closest friendnt So what I think I hear you saying, is that all the differing ways to be saved are acceptable, because "they have believed in His son Jesus Christ." A kind of universal. all encompassing faith, so the masses can be saved. Have I got that right? No I never said or even remotely suggest anything like that as in your first paragraph above. I never said that they are different ways to be saved for those who believe in Jesus Christ the Son of God. To the contrary I said that everyone who believes in Jesus Christ who died for the forgiveness of our sins is Born from Above that he is Saved. And that by DEFAULT are in the name of Jesus Christ, that they are in Jesus Christ righteousness. Alive explain that very well. There is only one way to believe in Jesus Christ. That Jesus Christ is our peace with God. Jesus Christ died for the forgiveness of our sins. Jesus Christ said that anyone who believes in God but does not believe in Him is still in his sins. If someone believes in Jesus Christ he is not in his sins. His sins are under the blood of Jesus Christ. In other words a believer in Jesus Christ belongs in the family of God. No one can do anything to add to the righteousness of Jesus Christ. Only in Him alone. Edited July 25, 2021 by Your closest friendnt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted July 25, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,054 Content Per Day: 6.42 Reputation: 9,018 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted July 25, 2021 42 minutes ago, Walter Goraj jr said: When you stated: "He singularly and totally redeemed (bought back) those that are 'In Christ' of and by the will of the Father by Grace alone and through the gift of faith for all of His Elect" I agree that Christ redeemed His chosen. And it's certainly all by His grace. When you say "the gift of faith" ( which obviously you are quoting Eph. 2:8), Whose "faith" do you believe God is speaking of? This is an age old question which will most likely be raised until Christ comes. The NIV ( in many places) has us to believe "our" faith was instrumental, allowing a false notion that we have some sort of contribution to make in our salvation. The KJV correctly uses "of", as in the faith of Christ as the gift of God. It is a worthy endeavor to compare the two versions regarding "faith". I have heard this controversy before. I say that saving faith is a gift and not something that we can of ourselves bring to the table. That that faith somehow is provided post regeneration. When I heard the Lord call me and reveal Himself to me as the Way, Truth and Life--I simply found myself believing Him. :-) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1701 Posted July 25, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.48 Reputation: 3,524 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted July 25, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Alive said: I have heard this controversy before. I say that saving faith is a gift and not something that we can of ourselves bring to the table. That that faith somehow is provided post regeneration. When I heard the Lord call me and reveal Himself to me as the Way, Truth and Life--I simply found myself believing Him. :-) Amen! I was lost and looking for a way to be a "better person" (to get rid of my sins). I was reading through the gospel of Luke, trying to find help, because I'd discovered that I couldn't do it myself. I was first convicted that I'd broken God's law and realised that I must be in trouble (although I didn't realise how much trouble!), then, still lost, I read where Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.". Suddenly, I knew that Jesus took my sins and punishment on himself, when he died on the cross. Floods of sorrow for my sin and overwhelming thankfulness and love to the Lord coursed through me. I suddenly had repentance and faith that I had not had moments before - the Lord saved me and turned my life right way up. Hallelujah! I know that I know that I know that salvation is all of grace and not man's will, decision or works. There are many who think they are saved, because they made some kind of decision to follow Jesus; but, has the Lord made them born again? If he has, then they will know all about the instantaneous and overpowering translation from darkness to light that the miracle of the new birth brings. As the Puritans used to say, "No tears, no salvation."; in other words, where the Lord works salvation in a sinner's heart, sorrowful repentance and joy of the Lord always result. It is no dead decision by sinful man, followed by, well, not much, but a mighty work of the grace of God that is like being hit by a speeding truck - it changes you! Edited July 25, 2021 by David1701 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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