one.opinion Posted September 24, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,240 Content Per Day: 2.07 Reputation: 1,356 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted September 24, 2021 37 minutes ago, dad2 said: Belief in the oft stated creation by God cannot be hammered into submission to the godless and evil theory of evolution. Evolution itself neither confirms nor denies the existence of God, and you know that I do not accept a “godless” version of evolution. 39 minutes ago, dad2 said: No one in their right mind would have thought He meant He was an actual wooden door. Hmmm… are you suggesting that the Bible contains figurative language? If so, how would one be 100% certain that the creation “week” would not also be figurative, particularly when the evidence God has left us certainly suggests that common descent has taken place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddyv Posted September 24, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 4,265 Content Per Day: 2.85 Reputation: 2,302 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/03/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted September 24, 2021 2 hours ago, dad2 said: We should try not to obfuscate issues, by comparing two things that have no resemblance or connection. Belief in the oft stated creation by God cannot be hammered into submission to the godless and evil theory of evolution. Yes Jesus is the way to heaven and eternal life. Yes he is the portal, the door. No one in their right mind would have thought He meant He was an actual wooden door. Is pi exactly 3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dad2 Posted September 24, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,650 Content Per Day: 1.04 Reputation: 199 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/28/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 24, 2021 3 hours ago, one.opinion said: Evolution itself neither confirms nor denies the existence of God, and you know that I do not accept a “godless” version of evolution. Hmmm… are you suggesting that the Bible contains figurative language? If so, how would one be 100% certain that the creation “week” would not also be figurative, particularly when the evidence God has left us certainly suggests that common descent has taken place? False, the theory of the evolution of life on earth denies the creation by God. It denies Scripture. It does like the serpent in Eden did and calls God a liar and deceiver. The morning and evening would also need to be 'figurative'. The plants being created before the sun would also have to be baloney. Etc etc etc. Chose who you want to believe you can't straddle the fence. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dad2 Posted September 24, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,650 Content Per Day: 1.04 Reputation: 199 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/28/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 24, 2021 1 hour ago, teddyv said: Is pi exactly 3? Does Pi apply if the circle or area is spiritual? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddyv Posted September 24, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 4,265 Content Per Day: 2.85 Reputation: 2,302 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/03/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted September 24, 2021 1 hour ago, dad2 said: Does Pi apply if the circle or area is spiritual? Uh, that seems like a category error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dad2 Posted September 24, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,650 Content Per Day: 1.04 Reputation: 199 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/28/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 24, 2021 1 hour ago, teddyv said: Uh, that seems like a category error. No. It is putting the natural temporary physical world we know in it's place. We cannot expect a spiritual reality to obey physical rules. Jesus was in a ship and immediately it was on the other side. The normal rules of time and physics did not apply. So if a structure was made of spiritual materials how would we expect that our rulers and measures and math would need to apply to it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one.opinion Posted September 24, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,240 Content Per Day: 2.07 Reputation: 1,356 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted September 24, 2021 6 hours ago, dad2 said: False, the theory of the evolution of life on earth denies the creation by God. It denies Scripture. Neither of those assertions are true. Otherwise, how could I accept both creation by God and the truth of scripture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparks Posted September 24, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 23 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,169 Content Per Day: 2.01 Reputation: 2,520 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/20/2016 Status: Online Share Posted September 24, 2021 1 hour ago, one.opinion said: Neither of those assertions are true. Otherwise, how could I accept both creation by God and the truth of scripture? Scripture and evolution theory are in conflict. You have chosen to ignore the conflicts, is how. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted September 24, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,859 Content Per Day: 8.05 Reputation: 21,843 Days Won: 77 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted September 24, 2021 12 hours ago, one.opinion said: If so, how would one be 100% certain that the creation “week” would not also be figurative, The genre is testimony of God how He created to Moses... and Scripture itself confirm by the comparative given in the Exodus account. The Word of God must speak for itself or it would not be The Word of God! 12 hours ago, one.opinion said: particularly when the evidence God has left us certainly suggests that common descent has taken place? No that is the interpretation of evidence by evolutionist... they have the bias like as you and God's Word is having no effect on that bias... we have been all warned 2 Thessalonians 2:10 (KJV) [10] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. [11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: [12] That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. As evolution did not show up till 1800's and by this late arrival supports this passage. Also lies the drive for it to be an educated means by which one can say "there is no God" and 1800 years prior only God was considered to be Creator... and as for your not being in that camp you certainly are supporting that which transports them as fools unto hell itself.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddyv Posted September 24, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 4,265 Content Per Day: 2.85 Reputation: 2,302 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/03/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted September 24, 2021 7 hours ago, dad2 said: No. It is putting the natural temporary physical world we know in it's place. We cannot expect a spiritual reality to obey physical rules. Jesus was in a ship and immediately it was on the other side. The normal rules of time and physics did not apply. So if a structure was made of spiritual materials how would we expect that our rulers and measures and math would need to apply to it? 1 Kings 7:23 (NIV) 23 He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubits from rim to rim and five cubits high. It took a line of thirty cubits[a] to measure around it. How is this a spiritual reality? It's about as concrete as can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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