JAG** Posted August 26, 2021 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 105 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 541 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 207 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/06/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted August 26, 2021 Atheism And Ceasing To Exist Oblivion. By JAG When you die, is that the end of you? Or do you continue to live on and on somewhere after you die? Atheists answer those questions as follows: Some atheists say they do not know if humans cease to exist after death, that there may be an afterlife. Many other atheists say that humans DO cease to exist after death. The following remarks are addressed to those atheists who we can correctly label "Humans-Cease-To-Exist-Atheists." Cockroaches . . . On Humans-Cease-To-Exist Atheism there is no ultimate difference in the end of a human being and a cockroach, in that both have the same ultimate destiny, namely oblivion as in ceasing to exist. This is a very sad position to hold and believe. House plants . . . On Humans-Cease-To-Exist Atheism there is no ultimate difference in the end of a human being and a house plant, in that both have the same ultimate destiny, namely oblivion as in ceasing to exist. The same very sad thought. Question for Humans-Cease-To-Exist-Atheists: How does it make you feel to believe that you have no more ultimate worth and value than a house plant and a cockroach? Or dead critters smashed in road kills . . . . {they cease to exist too } Again, that which ceases to exist has no ultimate worth and value. Nothing cannot be valuable. Cockroaches and house plants die and cease to exist. They cease to be valuable. They become trash to be collected and discarded. Get set for some repetition . . . . On Cease-To-Exist Atheism you eventually cease to exist and that which has ceased to exist has become a zero. Atheists do have worth and value in the present to their own selves and in their own mind and in their own feelings. And they do have present worth and value to their family and to their friends. However on Cease-To-Exist Atheism atheists have no ultimate worth and value because they ultimately become nothing. Zero. 0.0000 Atheists can make valuable contributions to humanity and they can leave behind that value, for example if an atheist finds a cure for a disease -- but the atheist himself, on his atheism, has no ultimate worth and value because on atheism he ceases to exist and that which has ceased to exist has become a zero 0000000 and a zero is not valuable. He ONCE WAS valuable --- but now that he has, on atheism, become a zero, he is no longer valuable. Ultimate definition: "being or happening at the end of a process." On Cease-To-Exist Atheism atheists will cease to exist at the end of the process of their lives. That which no longer exists is not worth anything. Its utterly impossible for nothing to be valuable. And on Cease-To-Exist Atheism, they end up ultimately in oblivion, as in nothing. Zero. Why do I keep repeating this? Because repetition is the mother of learning. And because , , , , This is very sad. Atheism is pure sadness. No future. No hope. No more love. No more music. No more good movies. No more friends. No more satisfying relationships. No more beauty. No more sunsets to enjoy. No more good food to enjoy. No more beautiful images to enjoy. Name one, just one, good thing about ceasing to exist. Name it: {1} _________________ Contrast Christendom's great doctrines of Eternal Life. "For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life." John 3:16 "My sheep listen to my voice, I know them, and they follow me, I give them eternal life and they shall never perish." John 10:27-28 JAG 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG** Posted August 27, 2021 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 105 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 541 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 207 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/06/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 27, 2021 4 hours ago, Josheb said: I know this is digressive but it's worth noting many atheists do believe there is something after death; they just don't believe there is a personal god involved in any of it and those beliefs are many. Some believe life is never extinguish, some in reincarnation, some believe we go to the universal mind or collective consciousness and some believe they go onto bigger better states of being. Thanks for the comment. In my 3rd paragraph I said this: "Some atheists say they do not know if humans cease to exist after death, that there may be an afterlife." Best. JAG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted October 23, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 307 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,136 Content Per Day: 4.63 Reputation: 27,817 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted October 23, 2021 Blessings JAG I know this thread is sitting here a couple of months but that you are still here,nice to see you again btw (I've just come back recently after awhile (sick leave lol) Honestly I'm not quite sure I really believe there is such a thing as an atheist....certainly there are agnostics but "atheist",pretty unbelievable .Now the "beliefs" you spoke about,absolutely,I can believe it & I don't think they really care if they cease to exist one day,they don't know Jesus so its pretty easy to be without Hope & a Future Anyway,in my own experiences in speaking with many people who claimed they do not believe there is a Creator or "God" or any power above themselves I've only witnessed a spirit of pride I believe they are so bound by this stronghold that they are in complete denial of God by choice,hopefully & prayerfully they will choose Jesus ,choose LIFE In any event ,the "Cease to Exist Atheisr" you described will never believe he is worthless,zero & any different that a house plant because the entire universe is centered around his tremendous wealth of knowledge & superiority! imo With love-in Christ<Kwik 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted October 23, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,192 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Here is a good treatise on the subject of Annihilationism Is annihilationism biblical? | GotQuestions.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted October 23, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,192 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted October 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Josheb said: I disagree. Annihilationists, including myself, often accept a period of suffering for those whose existence is eradicated. The opening lines of that article are misrepresentative and poorly define the position. We don't "misunderstand" any of the texts the article cites; the site has just slipped in a subtle ad hominem and that should raise flags about the article for anyone and everyone, even non-annihilationists. The fundamental difference is how we read the matter of "eternal" destruction. Does the suffering last forever, or od the consequences of the judgment last forever? That is the fundamental distinction between annihilationism and the other views of hell held by Christians. I can articulate annihilationism better than that article at gotquestions (and there's probably a post floating around Worthy somewhere where I have done so ), so that says something about that article. For those interested in understand annihilation from a Christian pov should give the Counterpoint Series book, "Four Views on Hell" a read. There's a newer version of the book with almost identical content, different authors. Besides, this op is not specifically on the nature of veracity of annihilation as a Christian doctrine. The op is about how atheists handle that view and whether they do so with integrity or not. That's an entirely different matter. when any part of the Bible speaks of forever punishment it is forever wherever it speaks... Matt 25:41-46 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. KJV the Bible speaks and I listen ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted October 23, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.80 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted October 23, 2021 On 8/26/2021 at 6:12 AM, JAG** said: Atheism And Ceasing To Exist Oblivion. By JAG When you die, is that the end of you? Or do you continue to live on and on somewhere after you die? Atheists answer those questions as follows: Some atheists say they do not know if humans cease to exist after death, that there may be an afterlife. Many other atheists say that humans DO cease to exist after death. The following remarks are addressed to those atheists who we can correctly label "Humans-Cease-To-Exist-Atheists." Cockroaches . . . On Humans-Cease-To-Exist Atheism there is no ultimate difference in the end of a human being and a cockroach, in that both have the same ultimate destiny, namely oblivion as in ceasing to exist. This is a very sad position to hold and believe. House plants . . . On Humans-Cease-To-Exist Atheism there is no ultimate difference in the end of a human being and a house plant, in that both have the same ultimate destiny, namely oblivion as in ceasing to exist. The same very sad thought. Question for Humans-Cease-To-Exist-Atheists: How does it make you feel to believe that you have no more ultimate worth and value than a house plant and a cockroach? Or dead critters smashed in road kills . . . . {they cease to exist too } Again, that which ceases to exist has no ultimate worth and value. Nothing cannot be valuable. Cockroaches and house plants die and cease to exist. They cease to be valuable. They become trash to be collected and discarded. Get set for some repetition . . . . On Cease-To-Exist Atheism you eventually cease to exist and that which has ceased to exist has become a zero. Atheists do have worth and value in the present to their own selves and in their own mind and in their own feelings. And they do have present worth and value to their family and to their friends. However on Cease-To-Exist Atheism atheists have no ultimate worth and value because they ultimately become nothing. Zero. 0.0000 Atheists can make valuable contributions to humanity and they can leave behind that value, for example if an atheist finds a cure for a disease -- but the atheist himself, on his atheism, has no ultimate worth and value because on atheism he ceases to exist and that which has ceased to exist has become a zero 0000000 and a zero is not valuable. He ONCE WAS valuable --- but now that he has, on atheism, become a zero, he is no longer valuable. Ultimate definition: "being or happening at the end of a process." On Cease-To-Exist Atheism atheists will cease to exist at the end of the process of their lives. That which no longer exists is not worth anything. Its utterly impossible for nothing to be valuable. And on Cease-To-Exist Atheism, they end up ultimately in oblivion, as in nothing. Zero. Why do I keep repeating this? Because repetition is the mother of learning. And because , , , , This is very sad. Atheism is pure sadness. No future. No hope. No more love. No more music. No more good movies. No more friends. No more satisfying relationships. No more beauty. No more sunsets to enjoy. No more good food to enjoy. No more beautiful images to enjoy. Name one, just one, good thing about ceasing to exist. Name it: {1} _________________ Contrast Christendom's great doctrines of Eternal Life. "For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life." John 3:16 "My sheep listen to my voice, I know them, and they follow me, I give them eternal life and they shall never perish." John 10:27-28 JAG A born again Christian does not listen to what the atheist says they listen to what the Bible and God has to say. The born again Christian soul goes immediately to heaven when they die. Their body will be resurrected with their soul and they will have an eternity with God. The unbeliever's soul goes immediately to Hades when they die their body will be resurrected with their soul and they will spend an eternity in hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG** Posted October 23, 2021 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 105 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 541 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 207 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/06/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 23, 2021 5 hours ago, missmuffet said: A born again Christian does not listen to what the atheist says they listen to what the Bible and God has to say. The born again Christian soul goes immediately to heaven when they die. Their body will be resurrected with their soul and they will have an eternity with God. The unbeliever's soul goes immediately to Hades when they die their body will be resurrected with their soul and they will spend an eternity in hell. The OP does not advocate for Christians (or for anybody else) to listen to atheists in the sense that you use the word "listen" ~ and that should have been obvious to anyone reading the OP. Best Regards. JAG `` 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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