Waggles Posted September 8, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,790 Content Per Day: 0.77 Reputation: 983 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted September 8, 2021 5 hours ago, appy said: People in general speaking, really, really want to believe that those Apocrypha books are on par with scripture. Not true. Additional reading material much like books on ancient middle east religion and culture. Look at all the trashy suss books in a big Christian bookstore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopefully Posted September 8, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 52 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,323 Content Per Day: 1.05 Reputation: 1,465 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/07/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 8, 2021 Can anyone post any verses from Enoch to show those who don’t know how wicked this book is? I have not seen anything wicked in what I’ve read so far nor do I feel tempted to join the occult but if someone can show me please so I’ll see what’s coming up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BibleStudent100 Posted September 8, 2021 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 416 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 357 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/01/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted September 8, 2021 On 9/2/2021 at 3:41 AM, Hopefully said: 1. Moreover Azazyel taught men to make swords, knives, shields, breastplates, the fabrication of mirrors, and the workmanship of bracelets and ornaments, the use of paint, the beautifying of the eyebrows, the use of stones of every valuable and select kind, and of all sorts of dyes, so that the world became altered. Although this is an apocryphal book, there is substance contained within the Christian context: people can be taught to be violent. What I ponder is how many of our modern sports promote violence in the way that players are encourage to smash into each other at full running speed or to inflict blows that can seriously damage the human body? What about dare-devil sports? Do they fall into this category promoting violence? Thoughts? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly2363 Posted September 8, 2021 Group: Senior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 579 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 303 Days Won: 2 Joined: 08/02/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted September 8, 2021 24 minutes ago, Hopefully said: Can anyone post any verses from Enoch to show those who don’t know how wicked this book is? I have not seen anything wicked in what I’ve read so far nor do I feel tempted to join the occult but if someone can show me please so I’ll see what’s coming up To both your question to myself directly and to this general question I will post a response later today. I am in my office at the moment and so logged into a work computer. But I do feel that both of your questions are perfectly valid and both demand a proper explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted September 8, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,054 Content Per Day: 6.48 Reputation: 9,018 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted September 8, 2021 I woke to a some posts reported on this OP and it seems to be a bunch more pages to read through. I wonder if it has gone beyond any usefulness. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted September 8, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,054 Content Per Day: 6.48 Reputation: 9,018 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted September 8, 2021 I read through about 7 pages posted since 17 hours ago and have hidden a lot of posts that are off topic---not necessarily transgressions of the TOS---but off the topic and directed at individuals. Sometimes these get so embedded that the baby has to be tossed. I've done my best---not perfect to be sure. Perhaps the OP topic can continue without the other stuff. We will see. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starise Posted September 8, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 13 Topic Count: 279 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 13,126 Content Per Day: 9.67 Reputation: 13,662 Days Won: 149 Joined: 08/26/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted September 8, 2021 I'm done here. I've said all I had to say. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted September 8, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,885 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,774 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted September 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Hopefully said: Can anyone post any verses from Enoch to show those who don’t know how wicked this book is? I have not seen anything wicked in what I’ve read so far nor do I feel tempted to join the occult but if someone can show me please so I’ll see what’s coming up What are you asking? What was the definition of wicket in the time this book was written, the time before the Cross and for the Jewish people who were under the Law of Moses? God said that time to people: Because of your wickedness to go after other Gods and do the things those people do, the things I told you not to do. Is this your definition of wickedness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopefully Posted September 8, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 52 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,323 Content Per Day: 1.05 Reputation: 1,465 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/07/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 8, 2021 30 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said: Is this your definition of wickedness? Like evil or against God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted September 8, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,885 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,774 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted September 8, 2021 On 9/2/2021 at 6:41 AM, Hopefully said: 1. Moreover Azazyel taught men to make swords, knives, shields, breastplates, the fabrication of mirrors, and the workmanship of bracelets and ornaments, the use of paint, the beautifying of the eyebrows, the use of stones of every valuable and select kind, and of all sorts of dyes, so that the world became altered. 2. Impiety increased; fornication multiplied; and they transgressed and corrupted all their ways. 3. Amazarak taught all the sorcerers, and dividers of roots: 4. Armers taught the solution of sorcery; 5. Barkayal taught the observers of the stars; 6. Akibeel taught signs; 7. Tamiel taught astronomy; 8. And Asaradel taught the motion of the moon. 9. And men, being destroyed, cried out; and their voice reached to heaven. From the book of Enoch chapter 8, these are the things taught by fallen angels. The title of the OP is "God did not teach us those things". This Book was written before the Cross. One of the relevant questions is not just what is the name of the author of this book, but who the author was. Was he an Israelite, and from what tribe was he from? Was he a procylite? We must know whether the author was in good standing to the Law of Moses, and if he was an Israelite or a Jew or a procylite? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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