Uriah Posted October 3, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,364 Content Per Day: 0.58 Reputation: 277 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted October 3, 2021 On 9/30/2021 at 11:11 PM, Retrobyter said: we're not told that ANY of that is true ANYWHERE in Revelation or in any other place of Scripture Ok then you think something like a mountain sized object traveling thousands of mph. (as space rocks tend to do) would NOT eject material out into space? Or that that scenario would NOT create massive hail stones? Or that the cloud in space made by such an event would indeed blot out the sun?, cause the moon to appear red?, orbit the planet counter to its rotation making a third of the day and night depending which side it is on? We do know it will destroy ships in huge numbers. Perhaps you don't think it would effect the sea creatures? Cause red tide (turned to blood) because of ocean heating/ current changes/stir up material from the ocean floor? OR, cause such an atmospheric heat bubble that its leading edges will cause devastation worldwide? (Jer. 25:32-33) These are direct results in my opinion. First Trumpet-fire mingles w/blood, grass and trees burned up " Vial - sores afflict people Second trumpet- Sea affected, "became like blood" " Vial - Sea affected, "became like blood" Third Trumpet- "rivers-fountains of waters" " Vial - "rivers-fountains of waters" Fourth Trumpet- sun affected " Vial - sun affected Fifth Trumpet- torment (pain) " Vial - pain Sixth Trumpet- Euphrates involved, horsemen attack " Vial - Euphrates involved. kings march-Armageddon Seventh Trumpet-great voices, kingdoms belong to Christ, mystery of God finished " Vial - great voice," It is Done!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retrobyter Posted October 4, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 9 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,602 Content Per Day: 1.07 Reputation: 2,449 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/28/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/28/1957 Share Posted October 4, 2021 3 hours ago, Uriah said: Ok then you think something like a mountain sized object traveling thousands of mph. (as space rocks tend to do) would NOT eject material out into space? Or that that scenario would NOT create massive hail stones? Or that the cloud in space made by such an event would indeed blot out the sun?, cause the moon to appear red?, orbit the planet counter to its rotation making a third of the day and night depending which side it is on? Shalom, Uriah. No, that's not it. I KNOW that all of this is likely to happen. HOWEVER, one must consider the LIMITATIONS of the prophecies! 3 hours ago, Uriah said: We do know it will destroy ships in huge numbers. Perhaps you don't think it would effect the sea creatures? Cause red tide (turned to blood) because of ocean heating/ current changes/stir up material from the ocean floor? Yes, much of this will happen; however, it affects ONE THIRD of the ships, ONE THIRD of the life in the sea, and it only affects ONE SEA! Now, granted, I believe that this will be the MEDITERRANEAN Sea, and that this event will cascade its consequences to other parts of the earth, but being limited to this one sea (where the meteorite's splashdown will occur) leaves other areas of the earth RELATIVELY less affected. 3 hours ago, Uriah said: OR, cause such an atmospheric heat bubble that its leading edges will cause devastation worldwide? (Jer. 25:32-33) These are direct results in my opinion. Sure, there's going to be cascading effects, but again, it's the COMBINED effects of the trumpet judgments that will devastate a third of the earth! 3 hours ago, Uriah said: First Trumpet-fire mingles w/blood, grass and trees burned up " Vial - sores afflict people Again, look at the LIMITATIONS! It's only a THIRD of the trees that are burned, although it's ALL green grass burned. Would that be world wide? OR could it be ONLY in the area covered by the swath of meteorites? Consider for a moment. In the movie Armageddon with Bruce Willis playing Harry Stamper, the first swath of meteorites affected the northern, eastern seaboard of the U.S. The next swath of meteorites hit in Indonesia and the southern islands of the Pacific. Although they both had devastating consequences, neither one of these completely affected the earth! 3 hours ago, Uriah said: Second trumpet- Sea affected, "became like blood" " Vial - Sea affected, "became like blood" Yes, but again, it was just the ONE SEA in which "the third part of the sea became blood." The bowl of plague ("vial") was later in which ALL of the sea (still ONE SEA) was made "as the blood of a dead man"; that is, it wasn't red blood but BLACK like gangrene! Furthermore, it was said, "every living soul died in the sea!" 3 hours ago, Uriah said: Third Trumpet- "rivers-fountains of waters" " Vial - "rivers-fountains of waters" Again, consider both the LIMITATIONS and the DIFFERENCES! In the third trumpet siren, the meteorite was the one named "Apsinthos" or "Absinthe" that sputtered as a torch. It mostly disintegrated into gases that poisoned the fresh water sources. In the third bowl of plague, the fresh water sources were changed to blood! 3 hours ago, Uriah said: Fourth Trumpet- sun affected " Vial - sun affected Again, consider LIMITATIONS AND DIFFERENCES! in the fourth trumpet siren, we read, Revelation 8:12 (KJV) 12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise. Here's your dust cloud from the meteorite impacts. In the fourth bowl of plague, we read, Revelation 16:8-9 (KJV) 8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. 9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory. This describes a solar flare and/or the coronal mass ejection associated with it! The people scorched by it will belittle the authority of God, basically saying that even God Almighty couldn't stop it, when in reality, He's the ONLY ONE who could! 3 hours ago, Uriah said: Fifth Trumpet- torment (pain) " Vial - pain Again, it's not what is similar about these two events, but what is DIFFERENT! And, what are the LIMITATIONS? The fifth trumpet siren warns of a meteorite that cracks open the pit with an unsounded bottom, releasing the species of locusts that will sting people for 5 months. In the fifth bowl of plague, we read, Revelation 16:10-11 (KJV) 10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain, 11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds. There are more differences than there are similarities. 3 hours ago, Uriah said: Sixth Trumpet- Euphrates involved, horsemen attack " Vial - Euphrates involved. kings march-Armageddon Again, look at the DIFFERENCES and the LIMITATIONS! In Revelation 9, we read about the four messengers (aggeloi or "angels") loosed from the great (huge) river Euphrates. They summon and encourage the 200 million army to begin their trek. They killed a third of all the people they encountered with smoke, fire, and brimstone (sulfur) that issued from the lion-headed horses they rode. In Revelation 16, we read, Revelation 16:12-16 (KJV) 12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. 13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. 15 "Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame." 16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon (Greek transliteration of Hebrew Har-Megiddown = "Mountain of-Megiddow," today called "Tel Megiddo"). Tel Megiddo is a guard/watchtower 35 miles southeast of Haifa in Israel. It overlooks the pass through the mountains from the Plain of Jezreel, a traditionally popular, staging place for armies to group and camp. 3 hours ago, Uriah said: Seventh Trumpet-great voices, kingdoms belong to Christ, mystery of God finished " Vial - great voice," It is Done!" There's nothing that's the same about these two in particular! The Seventh Trumpet siren - the LAST Trumpet - is to announce that Yeshua` the King is beginning to reign over the kingdoms of the earth for YHWH, His Father. The seventh bowl of plague poured into the air causes the greatest earthquake immaginable that happens worldwide, leveling every mountain, including sea mountains whose tops form islands. This event causes the hail stones with weights of a talent or about 150 pounds each. With ice having a density of 57.3713 pounds/cubic foot, we're talking about hail stones of about 20.5 inches in diameter, assuming them approximately spheres. If one gets hit by one of these hail stones, they will probably not make it. It will depend on how direct the hit comes. It will certainly break bones, but a direct hit will kill a person instantly. However, hail stones are usually formed in the columns of thunderheads by many cycles of the stones ascending and dropping in the column, adding freezing rain to the ice accumulating with every updraft. For such a cloud to hold these hail stones of 150 pounds each within the updrafts of the column, the winds would have to be very intense! Again, such clouds would have to be localized, affecting a limited area. The Scriptures say, "great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath," so it was probably localized to this "great Babylon." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uriah Posted October 6, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,364 Content Per Day: 0.58 Reputation: 277 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted October 6, 2021 (edited) On 10/4/2021 at 2:13 AM, Retrobyter said: consider the LIMITATIONS Indeed! Cobbling together a strategy of "differences" won't work. I guarantee you don't apply that method to synoptic Gospels or the pre-telling/re-telling in Genesis for example. I provided several examples containing exact wording in both trumpets AND vials. So, speaking of limitations, let's see what we have in Rev. 11:15- And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. v.18- And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; ... Compared with Rev 16:17- And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. v. 20- And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. BTW, this takes us back to Rev 6 where the whole world sees Him, and is the same as Matt.24 which tells us He is seen in a cloud and gathers His saints which must be accompanied by resurrection according to Paul. Then after 2 chapters of digressing to Babylon, the narrative continues in ch. 19,& 20 having more details about the resurrection. How many resurrections can you count? I say ONE. A linear treatment of the scriptures in the things pertaining to the resurrection proves the correct methodology. Edited October 6, 2021 by Uriah correction-cited wrong chapter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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