As in the Days of Noe.

[AandW_Rootbeer]

19 minutes ago, The Light said:

You can deny what the Word of God says all you want, but that does not change the FACT that it was Noah and the ark that left and the unrighteous remained to face destruction. There's always an excuse as to why what is written in the Word of God is not acceptable.

Gen 7

17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.

Let's use the Torah, you know, the HEBREW which God used with Moses, who Wrote Genesis:

17Now the Flood was forty days upon the earth, and the waters increased, and they lifted the ark, and it rose off the earth.

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This describes the Ark being LIFTED and when it was lifted by the WATERS, it rose off the Earth, or off the DIRT!

Edited November 17, 2021 by AandW_Rootbeer

[AandW_Rootbeer]

The ARK never leaves the Water to be in the Atmosphere like you're claiming!

[Your closest friendnt]

Just now, AandW_Rootbeer said:

The ARK never leaves the Water to be in the Atmosphere like you're claiming!

The planes do and the rockets go beyond the atmosphere and out of the powers of gravity. 

I learn this from the newspapers and not from the bible. 

Extra biblical information. 

[AandW_Rootbeer]

Just now, Your closest friendnt said:

The planes do and the rockets go beyond the atmosphere and out of the powers of gravity. 

I learn this from the newspapers and not from the bible. 

Extra biblical information. 

You can jump too!

 

Meaning, gravity does not keep you from being able to jump upwards.

 

Same Concept!

[Your closest friendnt]

6 minutes ago, AandW_Rootbeer said:

You can jump too!

 

Meaning, gravity does not keep you from being able to jump upwards.

 

Same Concept!

One can float in space...like the rockets which are still balanced in circular orbit around the earth...there still some magnetic force around from the earth and we need that to stay in orbit.

Just in overdrive but there is something I still want to say about the Lot that it cannot be use for the purpose they try to use it....and we will see why.

[Your closest friendnt]

51 minutes ago, The Light said:

I'm not arguing about whether Abraham interceded for the righteous, as clearly he did.

However, again, that does not change the fact that Lot left Sodom before destruction came, which is what the whole point is about.

This is what happened to those cities and there was a reason why it happened because God wanted to punish Lot. 

Look how Lot had started together with Abraham and how he had become extremely rich in sheep and cattle and servants. 

Look how he made the important decisions he blinded by having more and more wealth and he as a righteous person he looked over the plains of close to those sinful cities and they were very green, a lot of feed for his cattle and sheep but in his mind he considered that soon he will have hundred fold of sheep and cattle, this was his pivotal point of choosing the valley infront of him.

I do not know how much he knew or how much he did not know about the people in those cities, but the people at that time were merchants selling their goods to those in the cities.

So Lot must have also seen his wealth being multiple by gazing over the green valley.

Lot was different than Abraham who said the Lord is my prosperity my shield and my backle. 

Abraham put his trust in the Lord...he let Lot choose and he knew that Lot would perhaps choose the valley.

Abraham had taken Lot along to be his heir because he had no children in case he remained like that. 

But about that time he realized that Lot wanted to go his own way...

Abraham had come to realize that Lot was not like him at all. So he let him go. 

Abraham did not tried to specifically intercede for Lot as it was not possible to know if Lot was still a righteous person by that time but of course Lot was in his mind.

If the Lord had said there are not any righteous people living in that city then Abraham would have figured out that Lot is no more a righteous person, or that Lot was not in that city, perhaps traveling to Egypt. 

But then Abraham tried to saved both the beasts ( the animals ) and the people in particular his nephew Lot.

Abraham did not think " well it served him right he took from me the green space all to him self. 

An outsider may say that Lot by choosing the valley close to the city he also had chosen to live in a house and not in tents which means he bought land. Real estate.

Not Abraham, never Abraham as the Lord told him that he will give it to him that this is his Land his Inheritance for him and his children that's why he divided the Land among his children later on.

The did not bye it and they could not sell it at will as it happens in a free market.

The Lord had put a lean on the Land that's why he gave the they year of Jubilee to return the Land at that time.

The Lord tried to control greed and stop the mega Land owners in their tracks. 

The people just came out of the Captivity of Egypt, the Lord did not took them out of Egypt to give them in the Captivity of the Land owners who lend money and feed and mortgaged their Land and this way they took over the land. 

That what happened in Egypt during the famine the Egyptians lost their Lands to Pharaoh...they became the tenants of Pharaoh. 

We have to go back to Lot to see how he ended up homeless without a house and without a tent and without a second change of clothes. 

Lot he decided to live the city as he was without taking nothing with him he chooses to leave it was his decision. 

His wife wanted to go back and that was her decision. 

Not all who were RESCUED from the destruction survived???!!!!????

And he had to flee the city of Zoar as people percieved him as bad Luck....and they had their reasons for it because they did not know that their city was spare because of Lot. 

[Retrobyter]

8 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Luke 17: 

20 Once, on being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come,

Jesus replied, “The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, 21 nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’because the kingdom of God is in your midst.”

Shalom, Your closest friendnt.

You actually quoted the verses correctly, but somehow, I think the point was missed. Yeshua` was saying to the P'rushiym (the Pharisees = the Separatists) that HE was the "kingdom of God in [their] midst." When He was rejected, died, was resurrected, and left them, He took God's Kingdom promise with Him. The Kingdom of God was bound within the King, and HE was in their midst! Yeshua` certainly would NOT have said that the Kingdom of God was within the Pharisees' midst, suggesting that His Kingdom was here to stay!

8 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

***** the day of the Son of Man or the days of the Son of Man, began after Jesus Christ died on the Cross. 

No, the day of the Lord Yeshua` the Messiah of YHWH God will not come until He returns.

8 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Jesus Christ does not have to make appointments and announce his coming to be expected, even though he let's some of his select know, no one can tell him not to.

The first people to experience the day of the Son of Man it was Abraham and everyone else who was gathered with him.

Avraham experienced the day of the Messiah when he saw Him through the prophetic eyes of the Promise God made to him and his seed.

8 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Repeating imediatly after Jesus Christ died on the Cross then we can understand where Abraham and his children who were gathered to him had been waiting for the day that Jesus the Messiah the Christ of God will come to them.

Abraham had seen that day and rejoice. 

Yeshua` haNatzariy (the Nazarene) had two sets of prophecies to fulfill:

the prophecies of the Maashiyach Ben-Yoseef (Messiah Son of Joseph - the Suffering and Dying Messiah) and

the prophecies of the Maashiyach Ben-David (Messiah Son of David - the Victorious and Reigning Messiah). 

The scribes and the Lawyers (those who studied God's Law) knew this hundreds of years before the First Advent. The Jews, however, were expecting only Maashiyach Ben-David when the Messiah Yeshua` arrived. He was the "stone that did not fit into the building, which they sent back to the quarry." He didn't fit into their idea for who the Messiah would be. But, people in a position of power have a very hard time admitting they were wrong. We can see that in our own politicians on Capitol Hill.

His First Advent was the fulfillment of the first set of prophecies, although they were expecting Him to come to fulfill the second set. Because that was not His mission, they rejected Him as their King - the King of the Jews - and rejected Him for the nation as the King of Israel, crucifying Him instead. Unwittingly then, they KILLED their King! or rather GOD'S King, since God Himself anointed His Son. This is why Yeshua` prayed, "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do." YHWH God, however, would not allow them to bury the truth and convinced Pontius Pilate to keep what He had written as His superscription on the cross: "THIS IS JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS," written in Greek, in Latin and in Hebrew, broadcasting their error to all who passed by.

His Second Advent will be the fulfillment of the second set of prophecies, when He returns as the victorious and conquering Messiah who comes to reign over God's Kingdom centered at Yerushalayim, Yisra'el.

8 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

David had also who was gathered to Abraham as per Gods wishes had seen that day and was keeping a watch waiting to see him coming from a distance ( that's how he describe it.

John the Baptist one of the most dramatic figures or the most dramatic figures was sent first in the Jordan river for a mission beyond baptizing the people when in Jail Jesus Christ send him a message that his mission is not over he still had to go before him and to continue his mission to inform and identify him to Abraham and David of his coming to them, so John had to die before Jesus Christ and be gathered to Abraham and there he had to announce the coming of the Christ of God.

Actually, Yochanan the Immerser was Yeshua`s herald, His "forerunner," sent before Him to the children of Israel to inform them of the Messiah's soon arrival within the nation of Yhudah or "Judah," a surviving portion of the Kingdom of Israel, haY'hudiym, the "Jews."

Yochanan's death was the first sign that the Jewish leaders of the nation would reject Yeshua` as their King, just as they imprisoned and killed His herald.

When Yochanan sent his disciples to Yeshua`, he asked Him by proxy,

Matthew 11:2-6 (KJV)

2 Now when John had heard in the prison the works of Christ, he sent two of his disciples, 3 And said unto him,

"Art thou he that should come, or do we look for another?"

See, he also knew about the two sets of Messianic prophecies which the Rabbis debated. He was simply asking Yeshua` if He was the first of two Messiahs or would He be the ONLY Messiah filling both roles.

Are you the Messiah who is also yet to come, or are we to look for another Messiah?

Then, what does the Messiah do? He performs miracles by YHWH God's power. These are miracles that fulfill the signs of the Maashiyach Ben-David, thus demonstrating that He will be the ONE AND ONLY Messiah who will have to come a second time to become the nation's King! Then, Yeshua` told Yochanan's disciples,

4 Jesus answered and said unto them,

"Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see: 5 The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them. 6 And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me."

 

8 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

He must go before the Lord and announce his coming and identify him. John had the witness of God and the Holy Spirit that Jesus is the Christ of God. 

(This part is just fantasy.)

[Retrobyter]

13 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

Good morning,

The science / physics of this subject and the antediluvian period is fascinating. Being simple minded, much of what I think is conjecture and speculation. 

Looking at the earth's land mass, it seems obvious at one time, the earth was not divided, but one big land mass. Secular science named this huge landmass Pangea. It fits perfectly together like a jigsaw puzzle. I suspect the bursting of the water below created the tectonic plates and continental drift, producing earthquakes. These ruptures, remind me of the stitching of a baseball. I don't recall any earthquakes recorded in the Bible prior to the deluge? 

If there was one land mass, what was the rest of the entire planet? I would assume it to be water. The earth had not seen rain from above until Noah, and the earth was watered by a mist. The hydrogeological, recycling and weather could not have been the same as today.

Right. And, remember that 1/2 of the water was above the skies, to be dropped on the evil people whose thoughts were only evil continually. Thus, there was much less water below the skies upon the surface of the earth. I have no doubt about the tectonic plates and continental drift theory, but just remember that ALL of the continents were bigger back then:

First, there was not as much water.

Second, the fountains of the deep had not yet broken. Thus, there were pockets of water below the ocean floors. The Challenger Deep in the Mariana Trench in the Pacific Ocean had not yet been formed.

Second, the weight of the water had not caused orogenic processes, yet. Mountains grew larger within the first few years after the Flood, and they seemed to do so soon after the formation of the continental shelves. Mountains grew some set amount of miles away from the coasts on all continents, like see-saws with the fulcrums set at the continental shelves.

13 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

Three 'rivers' are mentioned in the Garden of Eden (Genesis 2): probably originating from springs?

Well the Scriptures say that there was one river flowing from the Garden that was "parted into four heads." The names of the four resultant rivers were listed as the Sihon River, the Gihon River, the Hidekkel River (commonly thought to be the Tigris River), and the Euphrates River.

We really have no idea where these rivers were because of the chaos of the Flood and the changes made to the landscape, but one might assume that the modern rivers named for the old rivers may have been because of their locations. I believe that it's possible that their technology before the Flood may have been sophisticated enough to have some sort of Global Positioning System they may have taken with them on the ark.

I've been to the Ark Encounter in Kentucky, but I have a few criticisms I would have corrected before the model ark was constructed. First, the word "ark" and the Hebrew word "teeVat" both mean simply "a box." Noach and his family were merely passengers aboard the "box"; they had no control over the "sailing of the vessel." There was no "bow" or "stern"; there was no "keel" and no "rudder." God ordered them all inside the box, and HE shut the ONE door. So, God was the ONLY ONE who controlled the direction and speed of the vessel.

This is conjecture, but I believe that He kept the box in the moderate zone of the northern hemisphere by means of a jet stream close to the Tropic of Cancer, away from the falling cold of the North Frigid Zone above the Arctic Circle, a cold so intense to freeze mammoths in their tracks with fresh buttercups in their mouths, and away from the growing heat of the Torrid Zone near the Equator, a heat so great as to create diamonds from deposits of coal.

13 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

They had to drain to somewhere. Where did all that flood water go to, back subsurface in the earth's crust? 

The waters before the Flood still flowed to the oceans and evaporated into the lower atmosphere when the sun was high enough. This was the source of the "mist" that watered the face of the earth. No rain, but there was plenty of DEW!

13 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

It's interesting that the world's oceans are being measured, and are getting more saline by the year. If the rate of measurement it is extrapolated back in time, and forward in time, at the current rate of the oceans getting saltier. I wonder where those figures would lead to? In other words, there would come a point where to oceans would become too saline to support aquatic life; like the Dead Sea and Salt Lake. 

You're right! That's one more indicator for a young earth that the Evolutionists choose to ignore or try to explain away. We know from geology that there are huge salt domes below the surface of the earth. If the oceans break into these salt domes through some volcanic or tectonic means, it is inevitable that the saline content will rise, and there are no outlets for the accumulating salts.

13 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

The Christian science behind how the deluge created the "ice age" and N & S pole ice, is also fascinating. By the way, we hear very little about earth's magnetic field is drastically weakening, just climate change and cow farts are the problem 

Yeah, Evolutionists attempt to explain this away by saying that the earth switches its poles and its associated magnetic sphere every so many thousands of years, but when they first discovered the dying magnetic field of the earth, they weren't using a sine wave for the calculations, but a hyperbolic curve, the same as in other decay curves, such that the dying field was getting smaller and smaller every year. It's been measured about 200 years now, and there are no signs of the field switching or growing anywhere.

13 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

As we all know, people lived centuries prior to the flood. It makes sense, prior to the flood, the earth must have had some sort of water or ice canopy in the upper atmosphere. Cosmic and solar radiation (ultraviolet, x-ray, etc.) is harmful to our DNA and longevity, as well as our health, causing aging and disease. Or so I am told. 

It would have had to have been a water vapor canopy. Ice and liquid water condensed in the sky like clouds would both have a negative effect on the amount of light that would be able to enter the earth's atmosphere, not to mention the problems with diffraction and reflection.

Pure water vapor is H2O in a gaseous state. It is an invisible gas, and is only visible if it can condense on dust or smoke particles in the air to form clouds. Then, what we are really seeing is LIQUID water on the dust or smoke particles. That is what clouds are made of.

One can still see the stars and planets through a thick band of water vapor, although one cannot see through a thick band of condensed water as a liquid (such as through dark clouds) or a thick band of frozen water as a solid (such as in high, cirrus clouds).

13 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

Matthew 24:7 (KJV) For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

 

 

[The Light]

11 hours ago, AandW_Rootbeer said:

But, [how] was Lot able to Leave is most important to be considered a foreshadow of a pre-trib rapture. 

The Lot story has nothing to do with a pretribulation rapture. It has to do with the prewrath rapture of the 12 tribes across the earth. You will find the pretribulation example in the Noah story as Noah is in the ark 7 days before the flood.

11 hours ago, AandW_Rootbeer said:

 And that is the point, Abraham's intercession for Lot is the [why] he was rescued.  

So the Intercession is the underlining factor for Lot's escape.

No Intercession, no escape for Lot.

Which has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with what we are talking about.

11 hours ago, AandW_Rootbeer said:

Where is Abraham at for your Pre-Trib Rapture Theory?

No where. The pretribulation example can be found in the Noah story. The prewrath example can be found in the Lot story.

[The Light]

11 hours ago, AandW_Rootbeer said:

What am I denying?

The facts.

11 hours ago, AandW_Rootbeer said:

The Moment enough water was under the Ark and it began to float, the ARK was above the Earth, dry ground, you know the Earth that God made Adam by.

So the ark was above the earth when it began to float? Nah. The ark was not above the mountains when it began to float so you are in error again.

11 hours ago, AandW_Rootbeer said:

Did God take Adam above the earth when God used the Earth to Form Adam?

NO!

LOL. You have a bad habit of bringing up useless and meaningless examples that offer nothing but swings and misses. You're out.

11 hours ago, AandW_Rootbeer said:

You are seriously stretching the meaning here to and it was lift up above the earth!

Gee. Above the earth is above the earth. Pretty simple. I can only shake my head at your reasoning.