Catholics and Salvation

[Fiosh]

Ah...fiosh...my nemesis is here!

[Assisi]

Ah...fiosh...my nemesis is here!  I have been wondering where you were today!!!    I think your last post kind of proves the whole point of Protestantism...we look to God, not a Church.  You are looking to a Church...giving that preeminance over what your own convictions are.  You should not be worried about if your beliefs are perfect representations of the RCC's stance...you should be worried about whether or not you conscience is at peace with the Holy Spirit.  That is what worries me so much about Catholics...they are often putting their faith in an earthly visible Institution before trusting their own God-given intellects and conscience.

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You are looking to a Church...giving that preeminance over what your own convictions are.

Tell that to Jesus. When Jesus knocked Saul to the ground on the road to Damascus, Jesus asked him "Why are you prosecuting ME!?" He didn't ask, "Why are you prosecuting My followers!?" The Church IS Jesus body.

  you should be worried about whether or not you conscience is at peace with the Holy Spirit.  That is what worries me so much about Catholics...they are often putting their faith in an earthly visible Institution before trusting their own God-given intellects and conscience

No need to worry about Catholics.

You do not have certitude of faith with simple intellectual belief. To achieve the and rise to the heights of faith and let God communicate directly to the soul illuminated by the Hloy Spirit you must be a Contemplative. Then you will be granted an underlying peace that the superficial and transient pursutes and pleasures of this world cnnot give no matter how we immerse in them. In the progress toward perfection you will become aware of the evere deepeing and divine incomprehensibility of God. Thius is the Church of the heart which clings to the Lord and meditates unceasingly on Him.

Having intered this heart Church you then can ascend to the high Church and its liturgy which transcends all human speach. To enter ther must be self emptying and total purification of the heart.

[Assisi]

[halifaxchristian]

Assisi...you are bolded...I am not.

Tell that to Jesus. When Jesus knocked Saul to the ground on the road to Damascus, Jesus asked him "Why are you prosecuting ME!?" He didn't ask, "Why are you prosecuting My followers!?" The Church IS Jesus body.

Yes...but thus the whole point...I don't believe that the RCC is Jesus' Body...because the Holy Spirit and His Word tells me that. Believe it or not...I was a Saul. Not to that extent...but you get my point I hope.

No need to worry about Catholics.

You do not have certitude of faith with simple intellectual belief. To achieve the and rise to the heights of faith and let God communicate directly to the soul illuminated by the Hloy Spirit you must be a Contemplative. Then you will be granted an underlying peace that the superficial and transient pursutes and pleasures of this world cnnot give no matter how we immerse in them. In the progress toward perfection you will become aware of the evere deepeing and divine incomprehensibility of God. Thius is the Church of the heart which clings to the Lord and meditates unceasingly on Him.

Having intered this heart Church you then can ascend to the high Church and its liturgy which transcends all human speach. To enter ther must be self emptying and total purification of the heart.

Speaking of intellect...I didn't understand a thing you just said there.

Good day...

[halifaxchristian]

[halifaxchristian]

Fiosh...I sound like a three year old...your words are bolded:

Well it is good to see that at least you are consistent, my friend.

I ask I reasonable question in an attempt to have a civilized discussion....you go off on some tirade.Calm now? Out of your system?Ok, one more time.

Funny stuff...ever think of being a comedian???

Do you want to know exactly what the RCC teaches us poor, misguided, mindless brain-washed, morons..........or do you want to know Pax's or my interpretation?

It may be different.

Again...funny stuff. But on a serious note...I want to know why you and Pax's beliefs are not the exact same as the Catholic Church's. You are Catholics, right? And you are the Body of Christ, right? I know...I'm stirring your pot. But it's my job...right???

God bless.

p.s. I go back to work tonight...so the mice can play...(hope that made sense)

[Fiosh]

Fiosh...I sound like a three year old...your words are bolded:

Well it is good to see that at least you are consistent, my friend.

I ask I reasonable question in an attempt to have a civilized discussion....you go off on some tirade.Calm now?  Out of your system?Ok, one more time.

Funny stuff...ever think of being a comedian???  

Do you want to know exactly what the RCC teaches us poor, misguided, mindless brain-washed, morons..........or do you want to know Pax's or my interpretation?

It may be different.

Again...funny stuff.   But on a serious note...I want to know why you and Pax's beliefs are not the exact same as the Catholic Church's.  You are Catholics, right?  And you are the Body of Christ, right?  I know...I'm stirring your pot.  But it's my job...right???

God bless.

p.s. I go back to work tonight...so the mice can play...(hope that made sense)

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Hey Halifax!

I'm gonna miss you!

No, I'll never be a stand-up; I confine my talents to provoking you.

RE: different understandings.

All I'm saying is that if you consider there are over a billion Catholics in the world........of which there are 4 or 5 here on WB.........you cannot expect us to have a crystal clear understanding of all the fine points of RCC doctrine AND be able to expound on them in a manner that is comprehensive and sufficiently intelligible.

Yes, we are ALL----all of us Christians (you too)---the Body of Christ.

And it should be just a tiny bit obvious that we do not all agree, nor do we all have the same capacity to express our beliefs.

Does that make sense?

And, no, you don't sound like a 3-year old.........12 maybe.

You're making progress.

EX.: If someone here belongs to the Pentecostal Church. I can ask them "what does your Church TEACH?" Or I can ask them, "How do YOU understand that"?

There may or may not be a difference.

So, now. Will you answer my question?

Love ya, buddy,

Fiosh

[halifaxchristian]

Fiosh...I sound like a three year old...your words are bolded:

Well it is good to see that at least you are consistent, my friend.

I ask I reasonable question in an attempt to have a civilized discussion....you go off on some tirade.Calm now?

[halifaxchristian]

Fiosh...I sound like a three year old...your words are bolded:

Well it is good to see that at least you are consistent, my friend.

I ask I reasonable question in an attempt to have a civilized discussion....you go off on some tirade.Calm now?

[Fiosh]

Fiosh...I sound like a three year old...your words are bolded:

Well it is good to see that at least you are consistent, my friend.

I ask I reasonable question in an attempt to have a civilized discussion....you go off on some tirade.Calm now?