Saved now or Saved later - Christian or Jewish

[DeighAnn]

Since therefore the children have partaken of blood and of flesh also, He likewise took part in the same things

so that through {His] death, He might destroy the [one] the power holding of death, that is the devil

and might set free those who fear of death through all [their time] to live subject were to slavery
 

Does JESUS SAVE NOW or later or now and later?  Do the Jews (who don't believe The Messiah had come) REMAIN under the same belief they always had and so  a 'last' day still remains, at least for them?  Is that when the unjust resurrect or do they go to the other side of the gulf immediately?  

Why would  Christians who belief the Saviour has come REMAIN in the belief like he hadn't?  Do those who still  live UNDER THE LAW who can never be without sin have to wait? I believe that those who live under grace and the infinite power of the blood of the Lamb of God don't sleep at all.    

Is it possible for the SIN that brought death to REMAIN in effect over those of faith under grace while the SACRIFICE to destroy death has taken no effect.  Isn't this a question of did the Saviour come or He is coming? 

Isn't that like saying that Satan has more power than Christ Jesus?  That the sin is more powerful than the Willing Sacrifice that takes away the sin?

Is it possible for THAT ransom to be paid and then have kids for 'a few more years' held a few more years?   Is that how ransoms work?  Maybe ONLY when it comes to the words of God. When I read what we are told BY JESUS HIMSELF, I don't think so. Starting with a few of the things we are told what really took place when the SAVIOUR defeated the power of death for those who BELIEVE upon HIM.  

THE CHILDREN (sons of God) WHO HAVE PARTAKEN OF BLOOD AND OF FLESH ( Wonder if it was the sons of God when the earth was being made who are partaking of blood and of flesh now.   Wonder if it is the angels descending ascending partaking of blood and flesh? LIKE Jesus did.)  ALSO HE LIKEWISE TOOK PART OF THE SAME THINGS (PARTAKING IN BLOOD AND FLESH) 


SO THAT HE MIGHT DESTROY DEATH.

 2673. katargeó ►
Strong's Concordance
katargeó: to render inoperative, abolish
Original Word: καταργέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: katargeó
Phonetic Spelling: (kat-arg-eh'-o)
Definition: to render inoperative, abolish
Usage: (a) I make idle (inactive), make of no effect, annul, abolish, bring to naught, (b) I discharge, sever, separate from.
HELPS Word-studies
2673 katargéō (from 2596 /katá, "down to a point," intensifying 691 /argéō, "inactive, idle") – properly, idle down, rendering something inert ("completely inoperative"); i.e. being of no effect (totally without force, completely brought down); done away with, cause to cease and therefore abolish; make invalid, abrogate (bring to nought); "to make idle or inactive" (so also in Euripides, Phoen., 753, Abbott-Smith).

["2673 (katargéō) means 'to make completely inoperative' or 'to put out of use,' according to TDNT (1.453)" (J. Rodman Williams, Renewal Theology "God, the World & Redemption," 389).]



By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. 
Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow me afterwards.
Peter said unto him, Lord, why cannot I follow thee now? I will lay down my life for thy sake.
Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, till thou hast denied me thrice.
Let not your heart be troubled ye believe in God, believe also in Me.
In my Father's house are many mansions if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself that where I am, there ye may be also.
And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest and how can we know the way?
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me.
 

Jesus is going to go to sit at the right hand of GOD in HEAVEN.  
Couldn't go then but  FOLLOW AFTERWARDS
He was willing to lay down his life for Jesus Christ.  
Jesus went to prepare a place for us.  (the earth  hasn't been prepared)
We know where He went
He will be receiving  Him.. (Not meeting a group at a later date) tand go be where He is.  
The only way to cometh TO THE FATHER is by Christ Jesus.  

 

If ye love me, keep my commandments.  And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever  Even the Spirit of truth whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him but ye know him; for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.  I will not leave you comfortless I will come to you.
Yet a little while and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
At that day ye shall know that I am in m
My Father, and ye in Me, and I in you.
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest Myself to him.

Because Christ lives, we live.  


2 Peter 1:12 Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth.

2 Peter 1:13 Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in remembrance;

2 Peter 1:14 Knowing that shortly I must put off this my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me.


This 'house/tabernacle/body' is 'put off' (is sown into the ground) The PRESENT truth?

2 Corinthians 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

2 Corinthians 5:2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:

2 Corinthians 5:3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.

2 Corinthians 5:4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

We have a house here and a house which is from heaven, put another way
 

2 Corinthians 5:5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.

2 Corinthians 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)

2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

2 Corinthians 5:9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Absent from the body is present with the Lord, no sleeping


John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth My word, and believeth on Him that sent Me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in Himself; so hath He given to the Son to have life in Himself;

John 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice,

John 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.


 JUST A PASSING THROUGH TO CHANGE BODIES.  And those that 'slept' or were sleeping...some had graves opened.  

 

1 Corinthians 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

1 Corinthians 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

 

1 Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

1 Corinthians 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

ANGELS EVERYWHERE


Any 2 sense?