Biblican Posted December 15, 2021 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 673 Content Per Day: 0.41 Reputation: 143 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/30/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 15, 2021 10 minutes ago, Bawb said: It was a power grab for Constantine. Did the original "Sect of the Way" celebrate Christ-Mass? And once again, I ask you, yet you do not answer. Where in the Bible does it say to celebrate Christ-Mass? Nowhere. But it does say "Do not learn the way of the heathen" And the rites of Christ-Mass are steeped in pagan tradition. This is a proven fact, that is easily researched. Also, how do you witness truth with a lie? Do you have any statistics on how many were brought to knowing Yeshua through the lies of Christ-Mass? Of course I am asking this question based on those who were not forced to bow down to the RCC's blasphemies of the truth. There is nothing in the Bible that tells us to celebrate Jesus' birthday, but the Bible tells us to evangelize. Christmas is a reminder to the whole world that Jesus' came. That is a form of evangelism and there is nothing wrong with that. Whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is preached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biblican Posted December 15, 2021 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 673 Content Per Day: 0.41 Reputation: 143 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/30/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, Bawb said: What is meant by this verse: So long as in every way, whether in pretense [for self-promotion] or in all honesty [to spread the truth], Christ is being preached; and in this I rejoice. Yes, and I will rejoice [later as well], Lies are sin... Yeshua would not tell someone to lie/sin to spread His message. Jesus came did He not? Is that a lie? When we separate a day to acknowledge that fact we are affirming the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bawb Posted December 15, 2021 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 627 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 333 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/31/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted December 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Biblican said: There is nothing in the Bible that tells us to celebrate Jesus' birthday, but the Bible tells us to evangelize. Christmas is a reminder to the whole world that Jesus' came. That is a form of evangelism and there is nothing wrong with that. Whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is preached. You can not preach truth based on a lie... That is a form of false evangelism and there is everything wrong with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biblican Posted December 15, 2021 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 673 Content Per Day: 0.41 Reputation: 143 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/30/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Bawb said: You can not preach truth based on a lie... That is a form of false evangelism and there is everything wrong with that. Separating a day to recognize that Jesus came is affirming the truth. There is no such thing as false evangelism, unless someone is promoting a false gospel like Seventh Day Adventists do by teaching that salvation by Jesus' cross is only temporary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth7t7 Posted December 15, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,749 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted December 15, 2021 (edited) 18 hours ago, Bawb said: You started off so well with quoting from scriptures and then... Because of Constantine, more Christians were killed (by other Christians!) in the first century after the Council of Nicea than had been killed by pagans in the century before Nicea. Constantine, only one year after convening the Council of Nicea, had his own son (Crispus) put to death. Later he suffocated Fausta (his wife) in an overheated bath. Then he had his sister’s son flogged to death and her husband strangled. (1) It was also during the reign of Constantine that the cross became a sacred symbol in Christianity, just as it had been in pagan religions.(2) Throughout his reign, Constantine treated the bishops as political aides. He agreed to enforce whatever opinion the majority of the bishops formulated (Chaimberlin RA. Anti-Judiasm and the Council of Nicea. From Petah Tikvah Magazine Vol. 14, No. 3, http://www.yashanet.com/library/antisem.htm 4/28/04). The “Christianity” Constantine endorsed was different from that practiced by Christ and the apostles. The emperor accelerated the change by his own hatred of Jews.Constantine himself said, “Let us then have nothing in common with the detestable Jewish crowd.” -(Eusebius, Life of Constantine 3, 18-19, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, 1979, second series, Vol. 1, pp. 524-525). For example, at the Council of Nicea (A.D. 325), church authorities essentially replaced the biblical Passover with Easter, a popular holiday rooted in ancient springtime fertility celebrations. “Constantine corrupted and perverted Christianity more than he aided it. He was an ambitious and superstitious Emperor who murdered his own kindred (his wife and son) while promoting Christianity. He paganized Christianity while using it as a political tool to solidify his Empire.” -Paganism Surviving in Christianity By Abram Herbert Lewis “The Control of Christianity by the State Under Constantine and his Successors” Chapter X; pg. 203 “The opening of the Fourth Century marks a new era in the process by which paganism poisoned Christianity. Constantine turned Christianity into a piece of political machinery.” -Paganism Surviving in Christianity By Abram Herbert Lewis “The Control of Christianity by the State Under Constantine and his Successors” Chapter X; pg. 208 Also, pagans are still reminded of what they always "celebrated" the 25th of December as listed on these websites and many others: https://shirleytwofeathers.com/The_Blog/pagancalendar/december-2021/ https://believe.art/pagan-history-christmas-holiday-saturnalia/ https://www.througheternity.com/en/blog/history/7-pagan-festivals-still-celebrate.html Because of the Roman Catholic Church, BILLIONS of people have been mislead by the un-biblical lies of Christ-Mass. If this is truly worship of Yeshua (Jesus Christ) then why isn't it mentioned ANYWHERE in the Bible? Also, YeHoVah remembers every pagan tradition and how they originated and what they were used for (Is He not the Ancient of Days?). If no one knows for sure the exact date, then why do people celebrate it? Especially on a the 25th of December, a day when every false god was claimed to have been born! Did any of the disciples or apostles celebrate it? Did Yeshua tell them to? If you're celebrating it on the wrong date, then are you not lying? You dare to worship Yeshua with a lie? How do you preach the "Truth of the Gospel" with a lie? These lies started after Yeshua's ascension to Heaven by the RCC. Do you honestly think YeHoVah and Yeshua are celebrating the RCC's Christ-Mass in the Heavens? Did you see anything about this in the Book of Revelation or any of the other books? A good resource for "True Meaning of Christmas can be found at this website: http://holyimpactministries.com/christmas2021/ Thanks, I agree 100% Also Constantine donated the land which is now Roman Catholicism's Vatican City, and he built the original St. Peter's Basilica creating Constantines State/Church for religious and political control You can add to that Constantine creating the pagan Sunday as a day of rest and worship, along with Christmas (Winter Solstice) and Easter(Fertility Rites) Thanks for the post, spot on! Edited December 15, 2021 by truth7t7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bawb Posted December 15, 2021 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 627 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 333 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/31/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted December 15, 2021 Just now, Biblican said: Jesus came did He not? Is that a lie? When we separate a day to acknowledge that fact we are affirming the truth. Yeshua came, but that has nothing to do with Christ-Mass. The only thing you are affirming is that you believe the lie the RCC told centuries ago. Once again, did the Apostles celebrate His birth? His BEST friends? You still fail to answer that. Yeshua said, "Follow me". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted December 15, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,996 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,693 Content Per Day: 11.68 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted December 15, 2021 The true meaning of Christmas is the birth of Jesus Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bawb Posted December 15, 2021 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 627 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 333 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/31/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted December 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Biblican said: Separating a day to recognize that Jesus came is affirming the truth. There is no such thing as false evangelism, unless someone is promoting a false gospel like Seventh Day Adventists do by teaching that salvation by Jesus' cross is only temporary. Saying that Yeshua was born on the same day as all of the pagan false god's is a lie, thus FALSE by the very definition of the word... You can not skirt around that. Follow Yeshua and not a denomination... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bawb Posted December 15, 2021 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 627 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 333 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/31/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted December 15, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, missmuffet said: The true meaning of Christmas is the birth of Jesus Christ. The true meaning of Christ-Mass was pagan syncretism when it started and still is pagan syncretism. No matter what your heart tells you it is. If it is truly about the birth of Yeshua, then why celebrate His birth using a bunch of pagan traditions and rituals instead of how the Bible tells us how to celebrate Him? Edited December 15, 2021 by Bawb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth7t7 Posted December 15, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,749 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted December 15, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Biblican said: Separating a day to recognize that Jesus came is affirming the truth. There is no such thing as false evangelism, unless someone is promoting a false gospel like Seventh Day Adventists do by teaching that salvation by Jesus' cross is only temporary. Not a matter of salvation but truth Jesus Christ gave a clear directive to the Church on how we are to remember the Lord, not his birth or resurrection, but his "death" (This Do In Remembrance Of Me) 1 Corinthians 11:24-26KJV 24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. 25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. 26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come. Edited December 15, 2021 by truth7t7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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