You Cannot Believe What Jesus Said, And Be Pre-Trib

[AdHoc]

5 hours ago, transmogrified said:

Yes, Paul said there would be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and the unjust...so he is saying the same thing you are saying...one resurrection in which both good and bad come forth in one hour...

 

I am sorry if I was not clear...the resurrection I am referring to is on the Last Day that pertains to the Second Coming, not to the resurrection at the end of the 1000 years...

Yes the Lord descends from heaven and we that are alive are caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air...

The thing to realize here is how the last day resurrection fits into this...when it says 'the dead in Christ will rise first,' what does that do the timeline? It immediately locates us to the last day, not sometime before the tribulation...this is why the last day resurrection of all believers is so crucial to understanding when the rapture takes place...

So although it doesn't come out in this text and say 'And the dead in Christ will rise first, and this resurrection happens on the last day,' when you insert what Jesus said in John 6 that 'All those whom God has drawn will be resurrected on the last day,' it becomes clear that these people who are getting resurrected here in the 'dead in Christ' category are also in the 'all those whom God has drawn category' in John 6.

There is no other category to put any of the saints into...When Jesus said 'ALL those who God has given to me will be raised on the last day,' it is not a private interpretation at all to say 'Well, Jesus said he would raise "ALL those who God has given to him on the last day...' There is no other way to take it...and he does not just say it one place...he goes over 4 different categories that makes it un mistakable who is being resurrected and when they are being resurrected.

So what else does knowing when the resurrection make us understand? It makes us realize that the coming in Matthew 24 immediately after the tribulation of those days, would make 1 Thess. 4:17 the exact same event...why? Because of when Jesus said the resurrection of all believers would take place...And what else does it do with 1 Thes. 4:17? It eliminates it from being a pre trib event. Why? Because when Jesus said ALL that believe would be resurrected on the last day, no believers could possibly be resurrected at any other time. 

So rather than making two different events out of 1 Thes. 4 and Matthew 24, it needs to be understood that this is the same event being described in two different ways...Remember placing 1 Thess. 4 before the tribulation is impossible according to when Jesus says the believers will be resurrected...in other words 1 Thess. 4 is not describing a pre tribulation event, so we can't lean back on 1 Thess. 4 as if it is an entirely different event that happens at another time and so therefore it can't be Matt. 24...No. There is no pre trib event of a resurrection, so the ONLY place to put 1 Thess. 4 is at the same time of Matthew 24...so we can't say the believers get resurrected twice immediately after the tribulation and try to think the two accounts into two entirely different events. No...they are the same event. One account is giving details about what is happening that the other account does not give and likewise they are both talking about the same Second Coming.

The account in 1 Thess. 4 uses the word 'the Lord shall descend from heaven..' Matthew says 'they shall see the son of man coming' these are the same thing...one account says 'we are caught up to be with them in the air,' the other account says 'he will gather his elect from the four winds (the earth) and from the uttermost parts of heaven...How did the saints get up to heaven? They are the ones who Paul said would rise first...where do they rise to? They rise to heaven, and when God gathers his elect from heaven and earth it is meaning the same thing as when the living meet the resurrected saints in the air...this is the gathering Matthew 24 is talking about.

Yes, I was not meaning the resurrection at the end of the 1000 years and the one at the Second coming took place on one day...this is where the analogy of one day as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day comes into effect...in some settings the Day of Lord is only talking about one single day, and in other contexts it is talking about the whole thousand year period.

For example, when it says we shall all be changed in a moment, in a twinkle of an eye, at the last trump, it is obvious from what is said that it is not going to take one thousand years for this event to take place, even though it says it will happen on the Day of the Lord..

But in other contexts, when it says 'they go up from year to year and keep the feast of tabernacles in Jerusalem, we know this does not occur on just one day, but it operates continually during the whole 1000 year time span.

The judgment seat of Christ is Matthew 25 when it says 'When the Son of man shall come (not when he is in the air) THEN shall he sit upon the throne of his glory...he is now on the earth...not in heaven...not in the clouds..this is the same event spoken of in Daniel, 'When the Ancient of days did SIT...these are the same events being described as to when Jesus sets up his throne on the earth at the Second Coming.

We are not discussing how long it takes for God to judge the world...the issue is the resurrection of the dead and who gets resurrected when it takes place...we already see how long it will take for God to resurrect the believers...it is not 51 years, but is only a twinkle of an eye, which can easily take place on one single day...

Blessings to you- Gary

O.K. Thanks for taking the time to answer comprehensively. I appreciate it. I have read though it and noted your position.

[Keras]

Just now, AdHoc said:

5 hours ago, transmogrified said:

O.K. Thanks for taking the time to answer comprehensively. I appreciate it. I have read though it and noted your position.

It read it too and Transmorgrified is wrong. 

He/she, parrots the commonly held belief of a general resurrection when Jesus Returns. That this is wrong is plainly stated in Revelation 20:4-5.   The Last Day is not the Day Jesus Returns, but is the final day of God's 7000 year plan for mortal mankind.

Tmg also makes the error of making Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8 into meaning one thing and then the opposite. Time is exponentially slower on earth, as God watches His Creation from Heaven. Deuteronomy 11:11-12

1 Corinthians 15:50-56 is a prophecy about what will happen at the GWT Judgment. Revelation 20:11-15

[AdHoc]

17 hours ago, Keras said:

It's a shame and an indictment that we Christians have so many different interpretations of what will happen in the end times.

Revelation is the only Book that gives us a correct sequence of events. When John wrote Revelation in the 1st Century, he was told it was to tell the servants of Jesus what was to happen hereafter.  Commencing with the first five Seals, opened when Jesus Ascended, proved by how we have experienced terrible wars, many famines, shocking plagues and disastrous economic failures.    Then all the nasty and horrible deaths of the Christian martyrs since Stephen and still ongoing. 

But the Sixth Seal will be the event which will change the world and commence lead up to the glorious Return of Jesus  for His Millennium reign. 

The ONLY people whom Jesus will resurrect at His Return, are the martyrs killed during the Great Tribulation of the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls.  The rest of the dead must wait another thousand years, when everyone who has ever lived will be brought to stand before God on His Great White Throne.   Revelation 20:4-15

ANY ideas that there will be a resurrection, a glorification, or a rapture to heaven, other that what will happen to the GT martyrs, before the real, actual and only; LAST DAY; at the end of the Millennium, is wrong, is a false teaching and will never happen. 

 

 

I find difficulties with this. If Revelation is chronological then why does Chapter 11 show the victory of Christ in taking the world for His, but Chapter 13 gives the kingship over all nation of the Beast in Chapter 13?

And those who "LIVED" and reigned with Christ are only partly made up of the Great Tribulation saints. I see FOUR "martyrs reigning, only one of which comes from the Great Tribulation.

1. Christ - slain 2,000 years before the Great Tribulation
2. Those slain for not taking the Mark which is only valid for the last three and a half years
3. Those slain for the witness of Christ - that would starts with Stephen some 1,900 years ago
4. Those slain for the Word of God - that would start with Abel

Rev.20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded (iii) for the witness of Jesus, and for the (iv) word of God, and which had (v) not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and (i) they lived and reigned with (ii) Christ a thousand years.

 

[AdHoc]

14 minutes ago, Keras said:

It read it too and Transmorgrified is wrong. 

He/she, parrots the commonly held belief of a general resurrection when Jesus Returns. That this is wrong is plainly stated in Revelation 20:4-5.   The Last Day is not the Day Jesus Returns, but is the final day of God's 7000 year plan for mortal mankind.

Tmg also makes the error of making Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8 into meaning one thing and then the opposite. Time is exponentially slower on earth, as God watches His Creation from Heaven. Deuteronomy 11:11-12

1 Corinthians 15:50-56 is a prophecy about what will happen at the GWT Judgment. Revelation 20:11-15

The resurrection and its detail is difficult because it is scattered over many scriptures. I see the overriding principle as a "harvest" (since there are firstfruits)

• That means (if we interpret scripture with scripture) at least three gatherings (Lev.23)
• Then, to complicate matters, contemporary Christians can't reconcile resurrection because they believe the saints are already in heaven. After all, who needs a body in heaven?
• But they are not. They are in Hades and the DEAD RISE, not descend, to open the graves. According to Matthew 16 the great hindrance to the Church is Hades
• Then, a certain contingent believe that the"rapture" is the "changing" of 1st Corinthians 15:51. But rapture means "caught away"
• Then, they ignore that Christians are judged in the air despite a decision being made who enters the Wedding Feast (Rev.19)
• Then they ignore that the judgment seat of Christ is when HE COMES, not when we go ... (Matt.24:44-46, 25:6)
• Then they ignore that the parable of the virgins is "LIKE the Kingdom of heaven". That is, all the information and parables about the kingdom of Heaven must be applied to the parable of the ten virgins
• Then they ignore that the foolish virgins must buy oil from the same men who sold to the wise virgins. Since the wise virgins bought oil during their lifetime, the sellers must be on earth since the wise bought it there
• Then they ignore that the Christians are "harvested "when He COMES". This leaves no Christians at the White Throne
• Then they ignore that Revelation 13:7 has the saints who are on earth "overcome". From whence then comes the gospel? They thus ignore that there can be no converts in the Great Tribulation. To reign is a REWARD for refusing the Mark

.... and so on. It needs quite some thinking through of things.

Go well bro.

[Keras]

2 hours ago, AdHoc said:

I find difficulties with this. If Revelation is chronological then why does Chapter 11 show the victory of Christ in taking the world for His, but Chapter 13 gives the kingship over all nation of the Beast in Chapter 13?

Only the sequence of the Seals Trumpets and Bowls, then the Return; is chronological.  

Revelation 11:15 to 19, is describing events in heaven when the Seventh Trumpet is blown.  Proved by how Satan is thrown out of heaven then; Revelation 12:7-9

2 hours ago, AdHoc said:

The resurrection and its detail is difficult because it is scattered over many scriptures. I see the overriding principle as a "harvest" (since there are firstfruits)

Not difficult at all. Revelation 20:4-5 cannot be refuted.  Jesus is the 'Firstfruit' of the resurrection.   Other Prophesies simply refer to the final Judgment; the GWT, after the Millennium. 

Isaiah 65:20 and Zechariah 14:16-21  are the clear prophecies that show it will be mortal humans in the Millennium reign of King Jesus on earth. 

Edited April 6, 2022 by Keras

[transmogrified]

15 hours ago, AdHoc said:

O.K. Thanks for taking the time to answer comprehensively. I appreciate it. I have read though it and noted your position.

Did you acknowledge what Jesus said about the resurrection of all  believers on the last day and how this means their could be no rapture before the last day? Jesus is the chief cornerstone and both apostles and prophets are incomplete without him in the corner...this is the foundation we are to build on..the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ being the chief corner stone...The resurrection happens first before the rapture so when it is acknowledged when the resurrection takes place it takes all the guess work out of when the rapture happens...if the last day resurrection for all believers, both Old and New Testament , is not acknowledged to take place on the last day, the door is open for multiple resurrections at different times for different sets of saints, like those from Pentecost to the pre trib rapture, then another resurrection for the Old Testament saints and tribulation saints...all of these are arbitrarily placed in order to accomodate a pre trib rapture...however, the chief corner stone is not a pre trib rapture from which all scriptures must revolve around, the chief cornerstone is Jesus who said exactly when the resurrection would take place and who would be in it...it is what he is saying that puts both apostles and prophets in their proper place and makes up the foundation that cannot be shaken...

Blessings to you- Gary

 

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15 hours ago, Keras said:

The Last Day is not the Day Jesus Returns, but is the final day of God's 7000 year plan for mortal mankind.

Jesus does not come again at the end of the 1000 years...he comes immediately after the tribulation of those days and sets up his kingdom on the earth and the saints reign with him for the 1000 years...if the resurrection did not come until the end of the 1000 years then all the saints would not be able to reign with him for the entire period. When he comes it says he comes 'And ALL the saints will come with him...how do all the saints come with him if they are not all first resurrected / raptured? 

Blessings to you- Gary

[transmogrified]

15 hours ago, AdHoc said:

If Revelation is chronological then why does Chapter 11 show the victory of Christ in taking the world for His, but Chapter 13 gives the kingship over all nation of the Beast in Chapter 13?

Of course Revelation is not in chronological order...this is apparent from many instances...in the first chapter it says 'He cometh with clouds and every eye shall see him, and in the last chapter it says 'Behold I come quickly...' 

It is context specific..each thing that is said pertains to what is being said, not what specific order in the text it appears...it is like seeing snapshots of your trip to Yellowstone...one shot shows you at Old Faithful and another shot shows you feeding the bears...that does not mean you went to Old Faithful first and then fed the bears later...

Jesus sets up his kingdom at the 7th Trumpet and all the kingdoms of the world become the kingdoms of the Lord...but that is written in Rev. 11...so does that mean Jesus sets up his kingdom in the middle of the tribulation because this appears in the middle of Revelation..? Of course not. 

14 hours ago, AdHoc said:

That means (if we interpret scripture with scripture) at least three gatherings (Lev.23)

There is only the first fruits, and then those who are Christ's at his coming...this is not three gatherings...Christ was the first that would rise...not Christ and some saints...only Christ and the only other category was 'those that are Christ's at his coming...this is the Second Coming immediately after the tribulation..not a coming before the tribulation that cannot happen because there is no resurrection before the tribulation which must happen before Christ descends from heaven and the living are caught up in the air...if there was no resurrection, which must take place FIRST before the rapture, then no rapture happened before the tribulation...Jesus does not just randomly come down from heaven so the resurrected saints can ascend up to meet him if no one gets resurrected until the last day...it would be like standing at the train depot thinking you are going to get on the Friday train and it doesn't come until next Wednesday...just because a person believes the train is supposed to be there on Friday does not make it happen...Jesus will not resurrect any believers until the last day...so there is subsequently no rapture before the last day, no saints were resurrected up to heaven before the tribulation if none were resurrected until the last day.

Paul said we shall all be changed at the last trump...this is not showing three gatherings...Paul said concerning the coming of the Lord and our (singular) gathering unto him will take place on one single day, called the Day of Christ...he said THAT DAY (in which both the coming of the Lord and our gathering together unto him) would not come except there come a falling away first...this is not a pre trib event...there are two things that must take place before that day comes...this is not showing three gatherings...this is showing one gathering on the Day of Christ, and that Day does NOT come except there is a falling away FIRST and the man of sin be revealed...so any coming  or gathering before these two events takes place will never happen.

14 hours ago, AdHoc said:

Then, to complicate matters, contemporary Christians can't reconcile resurrection because they believe the saints are already in heaven.

When we die our spirit returns to God who gave it...but we are sleeping in Jesus until the day of resurrection in which we will awake in his likeness...Job said all the days of my appointed times will I wait until my change comes...this is exactly what Paul taught as well...we will all be changed at a specific time...not part of us changed at one time, and another part of the saints changed at another time, but he said three things must all take place:

1) We shall ALL be changed

2) In a moment, in a twinkle of an eye...

3) At the last trump..

So this is not three gatherings...this is ALL the believers changed at ONE TIME, and that one time is when the last trumpet sounds...the last trumpet does not sound before the tribulation for that would make part of the saints be changed before the tribulation, and then another part of the saints changed after the tribulation...this is not what Paul was teaching, nor will it happen this way..it completely violates how God revealed this mystery to Paul...if he wanted Paul to know there would be three gatherings, he would have said "I show you a mystery...some will be changed before the last trumpet and before the tribulation, and then the rest will be changed after the tribulation at the last trumpet...' This is non sense...Paul did not say this at all.

15 hours ago, AdHoc said:

After all, who needs a body in heaven?

No one gets a immortal body until the last trumpet...this is when Paul said we shall all be changed...people do not get glorified bodies at the time they die...they get changed at the resurrection which does not happen until the last day.

15 hours ago, AdHoc said:

Then, a certain contingent believe that the"rapture" is the "changing" of 1st Corinthians 15:51. But rapture means "caught away"

Yes the rapture means to be caught away...the rapture itself is not the change, but the change happens at the last trumpet, which is when the resurrection / rapture takes place.

15 hours ago, AdHoc said:

Then, they ignore that Christians are judged in the air despite a decision being made who enters the Wedding Feast (Rev.19)

The judgment seat of Christ is when he comes and sets on the throne of his glory on the earth...this is when all the people, both sheep and goats are before him being judged...this is the same judgement day spoken of in Daniel when the Ancient of Days comes and sets upon the throne...the judgement is not in heaven or in the clouds...Please provide evidence of people being judged in heaven or that the judgment seat of Christ is in heaven.

15 hours ago, AdHoc said:

Then they ignore that the judgment seat of Christ is when HE COMES, not when we go ... (Matt.24:44-46, 25:6)

Yes, the judgment seat of Christ is like you say, When he comes, this means he is on the earth, not in heaven any more...he comes from heaven to the earth, and when he comes he is then on the earth...but remember there is no time period before the tribulation that anyone goes anywhere, as there is no resurrection, there is also no rapture.

15 hours ago, AdHoc said:

Then they ignore that the parable of the virgins is "LIKE the Kingdom of heaven". That is, all the information and parables about the kingdom of Heaven must be applied to the parable of the ten virgins

And how many times did the bridegroom come in the parable of the ten virgins...? There is only one coming...at midnight the cry went out 'Behold the bridegroom comes..' there was not another cry that went out later saying 'Behold the bridegroom cometh again...'

15 hours ago, AdHoc said:

Then they ignore that the foolish virgins must buy oil from the same men who sold to the wise virgins. Since the wise virgins bought oil during their lifetime, the sellers must be on earth since the wise bought it there

Please explain your analogy...who were the men the wise virgins bought the oil from? 

15 hours ago, AdHoc said:

Then they ignore that the Christians are "harvested "when He COMES". This leaves no Christians at the White Throne

There is a harvest of both wheat and tares at the end of this age...there is another resurrection at the end of the 1000 years..people can choose to follow the Lord during the 1000 years or to refuse...if they refuse they will die in their sins and be cast into the lake of fire at the great white throne..if they follow the Lord during the 1000 years then there name will be in the book of life at the great white throne...even though the devil is bound during the 1000 years, it says the nations that do not come up to worship the Lord in Jerusalem there will be no rain...so people still have a choice even though they are being ruled with a rod of iron during the 1000 years..our position as priests and kings is not only to rule over the nations, but to be priests and to intercede for them... those who die in righteousness during the 1000 years will be in the book of life, even though at the end of the 1000 years all the nations that come against the camp of the saints will be destroyed when the devil is loosed for the little season.

15 hours ago, AdHoc said:

Then they ignore that Revelation 13:7 has the saints who are on earth "overcome".

Yes, it says the beast was given power to make war with the saints and to overcome them, but when the last day resurrection is brought into the picture we can see by what Paul said that there will be those who are believers who will be alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord...this is what he said...Behold, I show you a mystery...we shall not all sleep...meaning all the believers will not be dead at the coming of the Lord...this is the whole purpose of the rapture, to deal with those who are alive and remain...but of course if the last day resurrection for all saints is not acknowledged, then the storyline goes back to the pre trib resurrection and rapture that never took place. 

The phrase in Daniel, is that the little horn prevailed against the saints UNTIL the Ancient of Days came...in other words he would have continued to kill the saints, however, he was stopped from continuing to kill them because he was destroyed by the brightness of the coming of the Lord...

15 hours ago, AdHoc said:

They thus ignore that there can be no converts in the Great Tribulation.

The angel that preaches the everlasting gospel to those on the earth during the tribulation says what? He says 'Give glory to God and fear him who made the heavens and the earth...and then it says 'come out of Babylon my people...' if it was impossible to convert this gospel would not need to be preached..the same gospel we have now is the same gospel the angel will preach during that time...it says 'all manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men..except the blasphemy of the Holy Ghost...taking the mark is not blasphemy of the Holy Ghost and can be forgiven. And it is apparent the great multitude out of every kindred, nation and tongue that came out of great tribulation did repent, for it says they washed their robes in the blood of the lamb...there cannot be multitudes of nations that are joined unto the Lord at the Second Coming if no one can repent...as it states...he comes and rebukes the nations and what do they do? It says they beat their swords into plowshares...showing they took heed to his rebuke and were converted...God did not kill them all, and there was opportunity to repent and they took that opportunity. So rather than 'there can be no converts during the tribulation, there is a huge number of converts that takes place...as it says the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of our Lord...he that overcomes will rule over the nations...what nations if everyone was killed because they took the mark? No...there will be many nations who convert and these are the ones the saints will rule over during the 1000 years.

15 hours ago, AdHoc said:

To reign is a REWARD for refusing the Mark

No...All the saints from all ages will reign with Christ during the 1000 years..he comes with ALL his saints, not just those who died during the tribulation...Paul said if we suffer, we shall also reign with him...if we deny him he will deny us...Who was Paul talking to? Just to tribulation saints...NO. He was talking to believers of that very day and by extension to all believers.

Blessings to you- Gary

[transmogrified]

13 hours ago, Keras said:

Not difficult at all. Revelation 20:4-5 cannot be refuted. 

Saying all believers will be resurrected on the last day does not contradict Rev. 20:4-5...Those that die during the tribulation will reign with Christ along with all the other saints who will be resurrected on the last day. Jesus does not say 'Only those that die during the tribulation I will raise at the last day...' No. Of course not...But the tribulation saints ARE included in those that will be resurrected...as it says 'All those that believe on the Son of God will be resurrected on the last day..' Of course the tribulation saints would be included in 'those that believe' but they are not all of those who believe as Jesus said.

[tim_from_pa]

On 4/3/2022 at 8:19 AM, transmogrified said:

Paul said the dead in Christ will rise first, and then the rapture will take place...so even though we do not know the day nor the hour, we know the resurrection of the believers must happen before the rapture.

Jesus said the resurrection of all believers will happen on the last day. So if the resurrection happens on the last day, and this resurrection must take place before the rapture, then there can be no rapture before the last day...

The two most important questions in the rapture discussion are 'who is resurrected and when are they resurrected?' Jesus answers both these questions in 4 places in John 6.

Here is the list of those who are resurrected on the last day:

1) Those who God has given to Christ

2) All those who God has drawn

3) Those who eat his flesh and drink his blood

4) Everyone who sees the Son and believes on him

These are varying descriptions of the believers who Jesus will resurrect on the last day...There are no believers left out of these descriptions.. New Testament Believers, Old Testament believers, tribulation saints...all are included in the last day resurrection.

If all are included, then there could not a Pre trib rapture, or a mid trib rapture, or any other variant before the last day. 

 

I'll tell you my story.  Raised an evangelical believer (of the Billy Graham variety), I was always taught the pre-Trib rapture.  But I remember while in the back of the church preparing to receive the offering (I was an usher), I talked with an older fellow and said I could not really see in the bible where that was taught.  He said he agreed, but like the easy-going guys we were, we did not openly proclaim that belief in our church.  Later on, I came across a convincing scholar and minister who convinced me for a season that the pre-Trub was correct and I went that way, but he had one twist to his teaching that undid that belief again.  There's some Christian groups (such as Messianic Christianity, and Church of God) who discovered the meanings of the Leviticus 23 feasts of the Lord and their prophetic meaning in redemption-- the spring feasts already fulfilled and the autumn feasts yet to come.  Being the Sir Isaac Newton type of time-keeper here (LOL) anything related to time and seasons fascinated me-- it was the Lord's "portal" for meeting with Him at various appointment times. Well, this preacher associated the feast of Trumpets (Rosh Hashanah) with the Rapture.  At first it sounded heretical to other ministries, but then as the years passed I noticed more and more ministries jumped the Rosh Hashanah/rapture bandwagon.  The problem is that these all taught TWO such fulfillments of that feast: one at the Rapture and one at the Second Coming (supposedly 7 years apart), whereas the feasts thereafter only had ONE fulfillment (as did Passover and Pentecost in the past).   This made no sense whatsoever, and this little fact clinched it for me.  I was back to not believing the pre-Trib rapture.  It's at His Second Coming the saints are resurrected. Now for those pre-tribulational rapturists out there who take offence, don't.  I HOPE you are correct in that nobody wants to be around during these terrible times, even in safe hiding.  But I learned to live with both ends of the spectrum (my own brother who I adore is pre-trib).  To me it boils down to this.  It's going to rain.  Is the bus getting here before or after the storm starts?  I'll take my umbrella, but I hope it gets here before.  As for the feast, it then tells me the Lord is under no obligation to make any rapture fit in the scheme of that timing in Leviticus 23.