enoob57 Posted July 30, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,194 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,471 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted July 30, 2022 1 hour ago, David1701 said: ) A landlord would like tenants, but a Bible believer would prefer "tenets". thanks for the correction ... maybe spell corrector got me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted July 30, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,854 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,761 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted July 30, 2022 On 5/5/2022 at 1:32 PM, Omegaman 3.0 said: 1 Peter 1 1Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who are elect exiles of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: Peter is writing a letter to the Jews-Israelites Christians, those who ones were borned in traditional Jewish families and who like himself was borned and raised during the rein of the Law of Moses before the death of Jesus Christ and his resurrection, who had made their homes in different parts of the known world at that time... Peter specifically addressed that group of people who once had lived in obedience to the Law of Moses but now they are believers of Jesus Christ... Peter to make the distinction between the "Jews-Israelites" who are now in obedience to the faith of Jesus Christ from the traditional Jews-Israelites who continue to be in obedience to the Law of Moses, and because by looking at them the believers and non believers in Jesus Christ they all look the same, dressed in their traditional Jewish-Islaelite attire and speaking in a similar accent with one another. Peter makes the distinction between the believers in Jesus Christ and the non-believers, the traditional Jews still in the Law by calling the believers Jews-Israelites "the elect". This is similar to how the distinction was made although not for the same reasons between Issac and Ismael and Issac the heir of the promises was called the elect. Not all the children of Abraham were called the elect of the promise but only Issac... Ismael came first, but the one who came after received the promise...and was called the elect. The same as in the situation Peter is found himself when he wrote this letter. And when he called the Jews-Israelites believers "THE ELECT" Peter and the believers from the Jews-Israelites can relate and understand what Peter attempts to emphasized, and this is that THAT NOT ALL from the elect seed of Abraham to Issac to Jacob-Israel and the household of Jacob and later according to the Law of Moses are the elect of God in Jesus Christ but only those who believe in Jesus Christ are the elect of God... Peter made the distinction that the children of God are those from the Jews-Israelites who have made the election by themselves to believe in Jesus Christ. Only those from the children of Abraham are in the Family of God who are in the faith of Jesus Christ...and Peter calls "THE ELLECT". The rest of the Jews-Israelites are in the place of Ismael.. Those like Ismael once were the elect till Issac was born and it was foreknown that Issac will be the elect one before even he was borned..but it was declared the heir after Issac was borned...and Ismael despised Issac and made fun of him... As with Ismael and Issac the first became the last, and the last became the first... A similar and parallel situation Peter is addressing...the First became the Last and the Last became the first...God has a family in Jesus Christ and only those of the Jews-Israelites who are believers in Jesus Christ are the Family of God because they have elected to believe in Jesus Christ...called the elect from amongst the rest of the children of Abraham... Peter is addressing this specific situations to make the Jews-Israelites believers fervent in evangelism to their own...and to those who from the Jews-Israelites who have not yet believe to help them understand that there was an election yet to be made between the children of Abraham to Issac and to Jacob-Israel and all his household because they had grown up to understand what the word used by Peter "the elect" implied...that not all of the children of Abraham will be saved but only the elect and the knew that at that time and Peter emphasized that the elect of God those with the Heavenly Inheritance are those who have elected to believe in Jesus Christ whom God has raised him from the dead and they have this living hope, knowing that Jesus Christ is the heir of Heaven and that's where he is with the Heavenly Father and as the children of God in Jesus Christ that's where they will also be together with them... On 5/5/2022 at 1:32 PM, Omegaman 3.0 said: May grace and peace be multiplied to you. 3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you, 5who by God’s power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. 6In this you rejoice, though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been grieved by various trials, 7so that the tested genuineness of your faith—more precious than gold that perishes though it is tested by fire—may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ. 8Though you have not seen him, you love him. Though you do not now see him, you believe in him and rejoice with joy that is inexpressible and filled with glory, 9obtaining the outcome of your faith, the salvation of your souls. 10Concerning this salvation, the prophets who prophesied about the grace that was to be yours searched and inquired carefully, 11inquiring what person or time the Spirit of Christ in them was indicating when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the subsequent glories. 12It was revealed to them that they were serving not themselves but you, in the things that have now been announced to you through those who preached the good news to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven, things into which angels long to look. 13Therefore, preparing your minds for action, and being sober-minded, set your hope fully on the grace that will be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ. 14As obedient children, do not be conformed to the passions of your former ignorance, 15but as he who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, 16since it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.” 17And if you call on him as Father who judges impartially according to each one’s deeds, conduct yourselves with fear throughout the time of your exile, 18knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, 19but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot. 20He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you 21who through him are believers in God, who raised him from the dead and gave him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God. 22Having purified your souls by your obedience to the truth for a sincere brotherly love, love one another earnestly from a pure heart, 23since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God; 24for: "All flesh is like grass and all its glory like the flowers of grass. The grass withers, and the flower falls, 25but the word of the Lord remains forever." And this word is the good news that was preached to you. What am I emphasizing? Verse 3 We are not born again because we chose to be, we are born again because God caused it. Verse 4 Our inheritance is not perishable, it is unfading, so it is not going away, and it is “kept”. Verse 7 Genuine faith is not perishable like Gold, and so it persists even when tested by fire. Verse 9 The outcome of faith is the salvation of souls, not “may be” salvation. Verse 10 Emphasizes that salvation is the result of grace. Verses 18,19 Indicates that Christians were ransomed by the enduring effect of Jesus blood, not perishable things like gold. If Jesus blood is enough to overcome sin, then our sin is not going to overcome the effect of His blood – we cannot sin away our salvation and God's grace. Verse 20 Jesus was foreknown before the foundation of the world, indicates that foreknowledge is not about just knowing the future, it is not omniscience as some people suppose in verse 2 as though God elected the exiles conditioned on what He understood they would do. Foreknowledge in v.20, is not about what God understood about Jesus, because Jesus is eternal, was with God and was God (John 1), it speaks to the intimacy that knowledge is. Verse 23 informs us that we were born again through the abiding word of God, again, not something temporary and perishable. Verses 24,25 Re-emphasizes that the word of God is permanent, and that this word, is the good news, the gospel. All Verses are The Holy Bible, English Standard Version® (ESV®) Copyright © 2001 by Crossway, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted July 30, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,854 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,761 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted July 30, 2022 (edited) 1 Peter 1; ESV 1. To those who are elect exiles of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2. according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you. 3. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4. to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you, 5. who by God's power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. ****Peter wrote this letter to those who were born and in the past had lived in obedience to the Covenant of Sinai...And who are now believers in Jesus Christ. Specifically Peter is addressing the believers in Jesus Christ who lived far away from the homeland and Jerusalem, who lived in the parts of the world which he named in v.1. To those who once were heirs of the Sanctification through the blood of the sacrifices in the Temple in Jerusalem... Specifically to those by the reason of living far away from Jerusalem they were not able to attend the mandatory yearly celebrations in the Temple, and who did not have this obedience according to the instructions in the Law. Peter distinguish them from the other Israelites who lived in the homeland and could attend the mandatory celebrations in the Temple in Jerusalem and boast that they live in obedience to the Law...and thus being in the Sanctification of the blood of the sacrifices offered in the Temple. Those of the Israelites who believed in Jesus were reborn into the family of God through their faith in Jesus Christ.... From the family of Abraham and their obedience to the Law into the family of God through their faith in Jesus Christ after his death and resurrection... The born of above family of God.... Peter emphasizes that what Jesus had said and explained to Nicodemus before his death on the Cross...has happened to them, that they are living and are in that blessing to be born again, or to be reborn as Peter said it into the born from above family of God...because they believed that Jesus Christ died for the forgiveness of their sins... And having their sins forgiven by the blood of the Lamb of God they have no need of the Sanctification done in the Temple, because they are already Sanctify are being continuously Sanctified by the blood of the Lamb who is Jesus Christ whom God raised from the dead and took him to be with him in Heaven and has given him a great honor by making King and Lord over all, forevermore. Peter remind them that God has only one family which consists only by those who are born above from the Spirit of God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ having the forgiveness of sins in his blood and being sanctified by the Spirit unto obedience to Jesus. Peter is telling them that they are reborn into the Living hope because God has raised Jesus from the dead...the living hope is that they are in the Life of God and in his presence the way Jesus is in the presence of God and this is because of their faith in Jesus Christ....that they also are co-heirs with Jesus Christ in and in his Heavenly Inheritance.... Their Inheritance is of sam Inheritance as the Inheritance of Jesus having reborn unto God the Heavenly Father and the Father of Jesus through their faith in Jesus whom God has raised from the dead... Peter distinguish the hope they have in Jesus Christ as a living hope...because God has raised the Lamb of God from the dead and to be with him forever... Which guarantee their being in God and with God forever... Peter reminds them that they are now in the living hope as Abraham is and his children who were gathered to him who were waiting for the Messiah to also be included in that living hope and now are since the time Jesus Christ went to them after his death on the Cross to include them unto himself and unto his living hope which they long for and had been waiting for and were looking forwards to Jesus the lamb of God and believing in him they were the first fruits of the living hope in Jesus Christ when God raised him from the dead they also were raised with him from the dead and became co-heirs of Jesus Heavenly Inheritance... All God had he gave them to Jesus so they also can be included in the Heavenly Inheritance of Jesus, and Jesus Christ can be the head of all who are in the family of God... The Heavenly Father has only children, or all his children are in Jesus Christ...under the blood of Jesus Christ... This is what Peter said that once we believe in Jesus Christ we are guarantee to be in the family of God and the Heavenly Inheritance of Jesus Christ as long as we continue to believe in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of our sins. In v.3 and 4. and 5. posted bellow. 1 Peter 1:3-5 . Jesus said that Abraham knew of his day and he rejoiced and his joy was made full when he was the first one together with everyone who was with him to be invited to Joint in Jesus Christ when he descended to them imediatly after his death and became the first fruits of God in Jesus Christ...and were raised with him unto their new Heavenly Inheritance... Moses had said to the Israelites that God will raised someone else from amongst your brethren, someone like me A DELIVERER, Moses deliver the people out of the Captivity of Egypt and HE WILL DELIVER you out of the CAPTIVITY OF DEATH and unto LIFE, to be in HEAVEN AND ALIVE UNTO GOD THE HEAVENLY FATHER. to the Heavenly Inheritance of Jesus Christ. Peter was preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ knowing that Abraham and everyone with him including David and John the Baptist had Joint Jesus Christ, when he went to them (descended to them in the place where they were waiting for him in the Bosom of Abraham) and they welcome him, believing in him and became the first fruits to recieved of his Life and become the first heirs of the Heavenly Inheritance in Jesus Christ...this was the end of the Abrahamic Inheritance and the righteousness and the Sanctification through the Law and the beginning of the righteousness in Jesus Christ and the living hope in Jesus Christ and the Sanctification through the Spirit... As believers we are in the righteousness and the Life of Jesus Christ and in his Heavenly Inheritance with the Heavenly Father. 3. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4. to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you, 5. who by God's power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time Edited July 30, 2022 by Your closest friendnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Knight Posted July 30, 2022 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 391 Content Per Day: 0.58 Reputation: 236 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/26/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/03/1958 Share Posted July 30, 2022 On 7/16/2022 at 9:15 AM, Alive said: Perhaps this is a good place to add a thought I had the other day in the Arminian thread, but did not post as I was waiting to see if Arms responded in that OP. Anyway, just a couple of thoughts that may be a different way of looking at what is referred to as 'strict determinism'--which is said by some that champion 'free will' as an agent of man for a cause of salvation, to be doctrinal error. In other words, that God does not strictly determine an individual's salvation--via 'election'--that salvation is determined by the choice and will of an individual. I want to go back to a beginning and look at this. In order for this to work, a starting condition must have existed and that is that Adam and Eve in the garden before the fall did indeed have a free will. A will free Godward and not bound or encumbered by 'sin'. Adam was not made 'corrupt', but he was made 'corruptible'. I have said a bunch there in order to make two simple points. 1. What 'determined' Adam's future was his choice to break God's commandment to refrain from eating of that tree. The bad one. Secondarily to that choice that 'determined strictly' his future is that that future included 'death' rather than 'eternal Life' represented by the other tree, which is Christ. 2. God 'determined' to 'SAVE' a portion of Adam's fallen race for Himself through the Slain Lamb before any of this started. In this scenario, we have two instances of a 'strict determinism'. God did not strictly determine that Adam would choose as he did--Adam's choice did that. Adam lost that 'free will' which had become fully sinful--dead in sin. Dead Godward. A thing that is dead cannot be partially dead and partially alive. This is where we need God's help to understand just how sinful sin is. How utterly dark sin is and cannot mix with the Light--with God. Knowing this, we can look at how it was necessary that God, now--had to 'strictly determine' by His will to rescue some from that awful state--by the Redeeming work of Jesus Christ--who paid in full the wages of that sin--so that its result which is death does no longer determine fate. Rather Christ's Righteousness and Life is, by God's determination, imputed to His elect. edit to add: There is a whole lot in between the lines of the above related to the OP, but I thought it might be helpful to actually think about 'determination' and how it must relate in some form to the doctrinal positions we hold. Whether as a noun or verb. First " sin" was believing that God was a liar as told to Eve by the serpent. That they would not surely die. The eating of the forbidden fruit was the manifestation or result of that sin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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