Mick70 Posted May 9, 2022 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 90 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 84 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/26/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted May 9, 2022 Can I ask a simple question?- Will Jews (and all other Jesus-rejecters) go to heaven? Or did Paul get it wrong when he said- "How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot,..it is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God" (Hebrews 10:29-31) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted May 9, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,992 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,690 Content Per Day: 11.77 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted May 9, 2022 6 minutes ago, Mick70 said: Can I ask a simple question?- Will Jews (and all other Jesus-rejecters) go to heaven? Or did Paul get it wrong when he said- "How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot,..it is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God" (Hebrews 10:29-31) Those who are not believers in Jesus Christ will not go to heaven. That includes the Jewish people who do not believe in Jesus Christ. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted May 9, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 108 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,824 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 4,813 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 9, 2022 Some Jews, like some of the rest of humanity, will die in their sins, unsaved or never born again. Then again, some Jews, like some of the rest of humanity, will confess their sins to God when he calls them and will be saved by God through faith in Christ and be born again. There are a HOST of saved Jews who have been born again. And there are a host who have not. It's not about their ethnicity or nation. There are MORE Gentiles who are not saved than there are Jews in existence. We should pray for Jews and Gentiles alike. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick70 Posted May 9, 2022 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 90 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 84 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/26/2022 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 9, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Jayne said: ..some Jews, like some of the rest of humanity, will confess their sins to God when he calls them and will be saved by God through faith in Christ and be born again.. So are you saying that when all nonchristians die and stand before God for judgement and he says-"Confess your sins or you'll go to hell", they'll be able to simply confess and save themselves, even though they lived their whole life on earth as Jesus-rejecters? If that's the case, won't hell will be completely empty if people can easily avoid it like that? Edited May 9, 2022 by Mick70 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted May 9, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.22 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted May 9, 2022 18 minutes ago, Mick70 said: 28 minutes ago, Jayne said: some Jews, like some of the rest of humanity, will confess their sins to God when he calls them and will be saved by God through faith in Christ and be born again. So are you saying that when all nonchristians die and stand before God for judgement and he says-"Confess your sins or you'll go to hell", they'll be able to simply confess and save themselves, even though they lived their whole life on earth as Jesus-rejecters? If that's the case, won't hell will be completely empty if people can easily avoid it like that? I hope you don't mind me butting in here. I'm trying to follow your train of thought and I fall pretty short when it comes to me figuring out how you think Jane is talking about repentance after death. Can you unpack your thoughts on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted May 9, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 108 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,824 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 4,813 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 9, 2022 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Mick70 said: So are you saying that when all nonchristians die and stand before God for judgement and he says-"Confess your sins or you'll go to hell", they'll be able to simply confess and save themselves, even though they lived their whole life on earth as Jesus-rejecters? If that's the case, won't hell will be completely empty if people can easily avoid it like that? Perhaps I wasn't clear. I said nothing about repentance after death. There is no opportunity for repentance after death. The Bible says "it is appointed for man once to die and then the judgment." We are either saved or not saved here in this life and then death comes and the afterlife - somewhere. In THIS life - some Jews will be saved and some will not. Some Gentiles will be saved and some will not. Edited May 9, 2022 by Jayne 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick70 Posted May 9, 2022 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 90 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 84 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/26/2022 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 9, 2022 Okay then I think we're all agreed that when Jesus rejecters die, there's absolutely no chance for them to avoid going to hell..:) Can I digress slightly and ask about the 'purgatory' belief held by some people which claims hell has a "swing door" and that Jesus- rejecters will be let out after serving their "sentence". Personally I regard it as nonsense, or am I wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted May 9, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 108 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,824 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 4,813 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 9, 2022 2 hours ago, Mick70 said: Okay then I think we're all agreed that when Jesus rejecters die, there's absolutely no chance for them to avoid going to hell..:) Can I digress slightly and ask about the 'purgatory' belief held by some people which claims hell has a "swing door" and that Jesus- rejecters will be let out after serving their "sentence". Personally I regard it as nonsense, or am I wrong? No, you are not wrong. To be precise, those who believe in purgatory believe that this is a place in the afterlife for Christians only who have not confessed all of their venial sins [in their incorrect eyes, the little sins]. They need to suffer for a little while until those small sins are forgiven. They believe Christians who have committed the mortal sins [in their incorrect eyes, the big sins] in this world LOSE their salvation and have to go through a long-term process here to get that salvation back. So, they believe the Christian who dies with mortal sins not dealt with go to hell. The reason that this idea of a purgatory in the afterlife is unbiblical is for two reasons: Believing that you can suffer for a while and your left-over sins can be forgiven is believing that the sacrifice, blood, and power of Jesus Christ is NOT enough. And that's a lie. Believing that certain sins make you lose your salvation and YOU can get it back through a "process" that YOU do is not only a lie, but a whack-a-doodle lie. These unbiblical things put salvation in the hands of sinners and takes away the power of God. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick70 Posted May 9, 2022 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 90 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 84 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/26/2022 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 9, 2022 Yes, the "purgatory" idea has got satan's fingerprints all over it, he's basically saying "don't worry if you find yourself in hell, you'll be let out after a while, you can trust me, why would I lie?" Jesus said "..there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies"- (John 8:42-44) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted May 28, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 908 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,653 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,837 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted May 28, 2022 Simply asked, simple answer. 1 John 2:2 (AV) 2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. 1 Timothy 4:10 (AV) 10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. This is not universal / unconditional salvation for all mankind. It declares salvation is available to all mankind. Or even more simply put: John 3:16–18 (AV) 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And with regard to the Jewish people: Romans 11:23 (AV) 23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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