transmogrified Posted May 16, 2022 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 795 Content Per Day: 0.50 Reputation: 98 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/18/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said: Do you believe these who go into exile outside the kingdom who worshiped the beast are not tares then? Amos 5:27-28 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves. https://www.blueletterbible.org/assets/images/copyChkboxOff.gifTherefore will I cause you to go into captivity beyond Damascus, saith the LORD, whose name is The God of hosts. Acts 7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon. NLT has it translated 'as far away as Babylon' rather than 'beyond Babylon' Quote No, you carried your pagan gods— the shrine of Molech, the star of your god Rephan, and the images you made to worship them. So I will send you into exile as far away as Babylon. Amos says they were carried away beyond Damascus and Acts clarifies it that this was when they were carried away as far as Babylon...but this is an event that has already taken place...but yes, if they died in sin, they are a tare. Seeing this is a past event these would not be the same people who worship the beast during the tribulation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted May 16, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.46 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 16, 2022 8 minutes ago, transmogrified said: Amos 5:27-28 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves. https://www.blueletterbible.org/assets/images/copyChkboxOff.gifTherefore will I cause you to go into captivity beyond Damascus, saith the LORD, whose name is The God of hosts. Acts 7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon. NLT has it translated 'as far away as Babylon' rather than 'beyond Babylon' Amos says they were carried away beyond Damascus and Acts clarifies it that this was when they were carried away as far as Babylon...but this is an event that has already taken place...but yes, if they died in sin, they are a tare. Seeing this is a past event these would not be the same people who worship the beast during the tribulation Amos is talking about the day of the Lord. Kept in context, Amos says why they are cast out of the kingdom on the day of the Lord. https://biblehub.com/amos/5-18.htm Jesus spoke of this in the gospel as well as zech 14. No the day of the Lord is not in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transmogrified Posted May 16, 2022 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 795 Content Per Day: 0.50 Reputation: 98 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/18/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Shilohsfoal said: Amos is talking about the day of the Lord. Amos mentions the day of the Lord, but not everything in Amos 5 is about the day of the Lord. 8 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said: Jesus spoke of this in the gospel Yes, unbelieving Israel will be cast out as Jesus said. Quote There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. 9 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said: No the day of the Lord is not in the past. Right...The sun must be darkened and the moon turned to blood before that great and notable day of the Lord come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted May 16, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.46 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 16, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, transmogrified said: Amos mentions the day of the Lord, but not everything in Amos 5 is about the day of the Lord. Yes, unbelieving Israel will be cast out as Jesus said. Right...The sun must be darkened and the moon turned to blood before that great and notable day of the Lord come. Amos says why they are cast out on the day of the Lord. If you try to understand who thier king is and what his symbol is then you will find he is talking about the Israeli goverment and its flag they made for it. The star as seen on thier flag. The star of thier king. In other words, they have chosen someone other than christ to be thier leader as it is today. Or maybe you will understand after they recieve the mark of thier king. He has been working on a new way for them to buy and sell. Edited May 16, 2022 by Shilohsfoal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted May 16, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.46 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 16, 2022 1 hour ago, transmogrified said: Amos mentions the day of the Lord, but not everything in Amos 5 is about the day of the Lord. Yes, unbelieving Israel will be cast out as Jesus said. Right...The sun must be darkened and the moon turned to blood before that great and notable day of the Lord come. Here zechariah also said they will go into exile,meaning they are removed from the kingdom of heaven on the day of the lord. https://biblehub.com/zechariah/14-2.htm So yes, the world will still be full of tares. They just won't be in the kingdom of Christ anymore. They can live in Europe, China, America, Mexico. They will go into exile out of the kingdom promised to Abraham and his seed(Christ) for 1000 years.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transmogrified Posted May 16, 2022 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 795 Content Per Day: 0.50 Reputation: 98 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/18/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said: So yes, the world will still be full of tares. The world will not still be full of tares...they are cast into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels...this the second death... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted May 16, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.46 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 16, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, transmogrified said: The world will not still be full of tares...they are cast into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels...this the second death... Then that would take place at the end of the world. Not during the day of the Lord. On the day of the Lord many of those in Israel simply go into exile. Edited May 16, 2022 by Shilohsfoal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transmogrified Posted May 16, 2022 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 795 Content Per Day: 0.50 Reputation: 98 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/18/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 16, 2022 44 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said: Then that would take place at the end of the world. It takes place at the Second Coming...it is the end of the age...not the end of the world...the saints reign on this earth after the second coming for the 1000 years...at the end of the 1000 years there is a new heaven and a new earth.. 49 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said: On the day of the Lord many of those in Israel simply go into exile. The resurrection of both the just and the unjust happens at the Second Coming which happens on the Day of the Lord...in some contexts the day of the Lord means the entire 1000 years and in other contexts it means one single day...as it says, 'one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. It does not take 1000 years for the resurrection to happen. All the saints are changed in a moment, in a twinkle of an eye, at the last trump...it is not an ongoing process throughout the 1000 years...When Jesus comes the sheep enter into their inheritance and they reign with Christ from that point on throughout the entire 1000 years. Same with the goats...they are cast into fire at the same time the sheep are rewarded...it is not an ongoing process throughout the entire 1000 years. Quote Mat 13:41 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. ( The end of THIS age...not the end of the NEXT age...which would be at the end of the 1000 years) The word 'world' is better translated 'age' because the earth remains throughout the entire 1000 years. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. 54 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said: On the day of the Lord many of those in Israel simply go into exile. On the day of the Lord, the living nations of the world repent...no one goes into exile...those in Israel now are not in the kingdom of God...the kingdom of God has not yet come so there is no kingdom they could be in...they are either sheep or goats, wheat or tares, good or bad fish...it doesn't matter where you live. The kingdom of God was taken from them and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits...but it is not physical land at this point...it is righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Ghost...at the Second Coming then the saints will inherit the earth, but not until then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted May 16, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.46 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 16, 2022 18 minutes ago, transmogrified said: It takes place at the Second Coming...it is the end of the age...not the end of the world...the saints reign on this earth after the second coming for the 1000 years...at the end of the 1000 years there is a new heaven and a new earth.. The resurrection of both the just and the unjust happens at the Second Coming which happens on the Day of the Lord...in some contexts the day of the Lord means the entire 1000 years and in other contexts it means one single day...as it says, 'one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. It does not take 1000 years for the resurrection to happen. All the saints are changed in a moment, in a twinkle of an eye, at the last trump...it is not an ongoing process throughout the 1000 years...When Jesus comes the sheep enter into their inheritance and they reign with Christ from that point on throughout the entire 1000 years. Same with the goats...they are cast into fire at the same time the sheep are rewarded...it is not an ongoing process throughout the entire 1000 years. On the day of the Lord, the living nations of the world repent...no one goes into exile...those in Israel now are not in the kingdom of God...the kingdom of God has not yet come so there is no kingdom they could be in...they are either sheep or goats, wheat or tares, good or bad fish...it doesn't matter where you live. The kingdom of God was taken from them and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits...but it is not physical land at this point...it is righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Ghost...at the Second Coming then the saints will inherit the earth, but not until then. I've shown you several verses showing those in Judea going into exile yet you deny it will happen. https://biblehub.com/kjv/luke/13-28.htm Yes they will be cast out when Abraham and his seed recieve the land promised to him. When this takes place, you will not even realize it happened. And when Gog invades that land, he will not know it either. He won't even know Abraham, issac, and jacob are there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transmogrified Posted May 16, 2022 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 795 Content Per Day: 0.50 Reputation: 98 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/18/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 16, 2022 21 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said: I've shown you several verses showing those in Judea going into exile yet you deny it will happen. Are you saying those living in Israel now are living in the kingdom of God? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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