Open7 Posted June 24, 2022 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 116 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 51 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/10/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted June 24, 2022 I’m reading Deuteronomy 28, which is taking about blessings and curses for Israel, dependant on whether or not they abide by his law. I get that for those in Jesus, God does not punish us as this was all poured out on Jesus, though he will bring about correction to us. But what about non Christians? The curses in this chapter for disobedience, are they liable for this? Thanks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tzephanyahu Posted June 24, 2022 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,625 Content Per Day: 0.79 Reputation: 2,033 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/10/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted June 24, 2022 Hi @Open7 What does your heart and reason tell you? Would you have one set of house rules for your children and another set for your adopted children? Peace T 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open7 Posted June 24, 2022 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 116 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 51 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/10/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 24, 2022 43 minutes ago, Tzephanyahu said: Hi @Open7 What does your heart and reason tell you? Would you have one set of house rules for your children and another set for your adopted children? Peace T Yes I would have different rules. But what I’m not sure about, is that the curses are so brutal, that I don’t see this level of curse being afflicted on non Christians, maybe some, but not many, which makes me think this is not happening to non Christian’s, or is it? Then again most don’t even know the law in the first place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tzephanyahu Posted June 24, 2022 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,625 Content Per Day: 0.79 Reputation: 2,033 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/10/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted June 24, 2022 40 minutes ago, Open7 said: Yes I would have different rules. You would?? Wow, that's not very cool. I think that would cause division in the house. 41 minutes ago, Open7 said: I don’t see this level of curse being afflicted on non Christians Well, going back to the analogy of your children and adopted children - would you punish the neighbours children according to your house rules? Surely not. 😊 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who me Posted June 24, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,300 Content Per Day: 1.72 Reputation: 1,686 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted June 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Open7 said: I’m reading Deuteronomy 28, which is taking about blessings and curses for Israel, dependant on whether or not they abide by his law. I get that for those in Jesus, God does not punish us as this was all poured out on Jesus, though he will bring about correction to us. But what about non Christians? The curses in this chapter for disobedience, are they liable for this? Thanks Most questions about scripture can be answered by reading the context. What is the context of Dueteonomy, who is it addressed to and what are the conditions It is written to, is addressing the nation of Israel. It does not address the surrounding nations. Jesus dealt with everybodies sins, ALL of them. The OT law identifes sinners but their judgement is based on whether they have accepted Jesus as theire saviour. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BK1110 Posted June 24, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 87 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 6,874 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 9,613 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/18/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/10/1986 Share Posted June 24, 2022 3 hours ago, Open7 said: I’m reading Deuteronomy 28, which is taking about blessings and curses for Israel, dependant on whether or not they abide by his law. I get that for those in Jesus, God does not punish us as this was all poured out on Jesus, though he will bring about correction to us. But what about non Christians? The curses in this chapter for disobedience, are they liable for this? Thanks Deuteronomy is laying out the foundations for the ancient people of Israel and their theocratic system. Christ fulfilled the law and made a new way. Certainly many things that were sin then still are now, but we no longer live under the Mosaic law system. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open7 Posted June 24, 2022 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 116 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 51 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/10/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 24, 2022 1 hour ago, BK1110 said: Deuteronomy is laying out the foundations for the ancient people of Israel and their theocratic system. Christ fulfilled the law and made a new way. Certainly many things that were sin then still are now, but we no longer live under the Mosaic law system. As Christians we no longer live under this system, but does the law not apply to non Christians? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open7 Posted June 24, 2022 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 116 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 51 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/10/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Tzephanyahu said: You would?? Wow, that's not very cool. I think that would cause division in the house. Well, going back to the analogy of your children and adopted children - would you punish the neighbours children according to your house rules? Surely not. 😊 Ah sorry, I read your question wrong, yes I would have the same rules for the adopted 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marathoner Posted June 24, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 71 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,144 Content Per Day: 7.06 Reputation: 13,102 Days Won: 97 Joined: 05/24/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted June 24, 2022 (edited) No. The Law was given only to Israel of the flesh. The Law was never given to gentiles; this distinction is important and illustrated in the testimony of scripture. It's important because the Lord didn't judge the gentile according to the Law which was never given to them. Not in days of old, nor after that substance of the shadow which was the Law had come, and this substance is Jesus Christ. For the Jew in Christ Jesus, he joins Him in death and as the apostle instructs us in the book of Romans, the Law only has dominion over a man so long as he lives. The Jew who dies with Christ is therefore no longer under the dominion of the Law because he died. As for the gentile who was never given the Law, he joins the Jew in the inheritance promised to the seed of Abraham which is Jesus Christ. This was hard for Jews to understand which is why the apostle refers to us as "wild branches." We are grafted into the Vine of God by the adoption through Christ. There is neither Jew nor Gentile in the Son of God. We are saved, born anew, and receive the adoption as sons and daughters through Jesus Christ, not by works of the Law. So to answer your question, the curses promised to violators of the Law are only for those under its dominion. This does not mean that gentiles of old were not held accountable by the Lord for their trespasses, because we know they are. Now that the substance has come in the flesh, there is no other way to the Father except through His Son whom He sent. Beware of those who seek to subject others under the curse of the Law. It's a curse because no man or woman can keep it. Edited June 24, 2022 by Marathoner 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marathoner Posted June 24, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 71 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,144 Content Per Day: 7.06 Reputation: 13,102 Days Won: 97 Joined: 05/24/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted June 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Open7 said: Ah sorry, I read your question wrong, yes I would have the same rules for the adopted This is true, but our Father speaks to us through His only begotten Son, whom He sent not only for the lost sheep of Jacob (Israel of the flesh) but also for the gentiles. I marvel at the lack of understanding and confusion regarding the Law, which is how some fall under the sway of false preachers who teach others to stumble as they themselves do. The Law was never given to the world, only to the seed of Jacob. There's this notion afloat that the Law was given to all the world when it was not, and so those who were never given the Law will be judged by it. That's false teaching. Yes, all who are in Jesus Christ are subject to the law of the Spirit of God, which we were raised up in newness of life to walk in. Remember that there is neither Jew nor Gentile in Jesus Christ, my friend, so all of us are justified by His blood in the sight of God of the Father. The Law justifies no one. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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