The great tribulation

[kenny2212]

5 minutes ago, HAZARD said:

No.

Okay. Explain.

[Jedi4Yahweh]

12 hours ago, HAZARD said:

No.

Hmmm....explain the following verses:

[Rev 5:8-10 KJV]  Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation [gentiles]; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

[Rev 1:4-6 KJV] 4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia [gentiles]: Grace [be] unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; 5 And from Jesus Christ, [who is] the faithful witness, [and] the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him [be] glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

[Dan 7:27 KJV] 27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom [is] an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

 

[HAZARD]

On 10/7/2022 at 5:44 AM, kenny2212 said:

But you do agree only believers will enter the millennium? (Matthew 25:31-46)

NO,

At the second coming of Christ many sinners will be left here to go into the Millennium. That sinners will be here is very clearly stated in Isiah 2:2-4; 65:20;  66:18-19; 1 Cor. 11:24-28; Rev. 20:1-15; Zech. 14:16-21. 

[HAZARD]

23 hours ago, kenny2212 said:

Okay. Explain.

At the second coming of Christ many sinners will be left here to go into the Millennium. That sinners will be here is very clearly stated in Isiah 2:2-4; 65:20;  66:18-19; 1 Cor. 11:24-28; Rev. 20:1-15; Zech. 14:16-21. 

[Shilohsfoal]

On 10/2/2022 at 10:01 PM, HAZARD said:

 

 America will be one of the many countries which will
escape the end time and the Antichrists rule (Dan.11:40-44). Certain countries
will make war on him at the very time he is supposed to be ruling the whole
world (Dan. 11:40-44). Because he will reign only over ten countries inside the
Roman Empire territory and because America is not inside that territory and
never will be, and because certain countries will escape him we can
scripturally conclude that he will never rule America or be a world-wide dictator.

Therefore, multitudes of people of many nations will also never take the mark
of the beast and they will never be killed by the Antichrist for not doing so.
The Bible speaks of many peoples of many nations that are left after the reign
of the Antichrist, people who will be alive in the Millennium and will go up
yearly to worship God (Zech. 14:16-21).



The ten kingdoms are to be formed inside the old Roman Empire from the present
states in that territory. It is clear that there will be at least another war
in Europe, Asia, and Africa in order for this to be fulfilled. When the ten
kingdoms are formed, then Daniel 7:23-24 will be fulfilled. These ten kingdoms
will be the Revised Roman Empire which is symbolized by the ten toes on the
great image of Dan. 2, the ten horns on the fourth beast of Dan. 7:7-8, 19-24,
the ten horns on the dragon and the beast of Rev. 12, 13, and 17. This
formation of the ten kingdoms will be necessary to fulfill both Dan. 7 and 8.



I suppose America will do what it has always done. She will support those she
is aligned with at the time. Scripture also shows that the Arabs will protect
Israel during the last three and one half years of this age. In Dan. 11:41 we
read that Arabia or ancient Edom and Moab will escape the Antichrist. In Isa.
16:1-5; Ezek. 20:33-35; Matt. 24:15-21; Rev. 12:5-7 we read of Israel fleeing
for protection into the wilderness of Edom and Moab, and since they escape the
Antichrist and flee into this country for protection, then it is clear that the
Arabs protect them during this time. The Bible names the very city in Edom and
Moab that Israel will flee to for protection during the tribulation. It is Sela
or Petra, the capital of Edom (Isa. 16:1-5; 26:20-21; 63:1-8).

Rome has nothing to do with the beast or its rule. Your paying attention to the wrong part of the world. 

The beast is in the middle east. 

[HAZARD]

9 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Rome has nothing to do with the beast or its rule. Your paying attention to the wrong part of the world. 

The beast is in the middle east. 

The antichrist will rule the countries which were / are in the old Roman empire territory.

[Shilohsfoal]

6 hours ago, HAZARD said:

The antichrist will rule the countries which were / are in the old Roman empire territory.

There's not many Antichrists in that territory. Many of the antichrist's in Europe died in WW2. There are more antichrists in Israel. 

[HAZARD]

2 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

There's not many Antichrists in that territory. Many of the antichrist's in Europe died in WW2. There are more antichrists in Israel. 

 

There will be only one Antichrist.  Antichrist may be alive today, either a baby, young boy, or older as someone being a member of a political party, Scripture does say, "a king of fierce counternance would rise," so we can expect him to be a king of a particular country. And the times seem right in my humble opinion.

The book of Daniel makes it clear that the Antichrist will come from the ten kingdoms of the Old Roman Empire, as in Dan. 7:7-8, 23-24, and from the four divisions of the Grecian Empire, which are four of the ten, as in Dan. 8:7-9, 20-23, but it also makes it clear that he will come from the Syrian division of the four divisions of Greece, as taught in Dan. 11. The king of the north of this chapter is Syria, and the king of the south is Egypt. Wars between these two divisions of Greece are pictures in Dan. 11:5-34. Verses 35-45 portray war between these same two kingdoms "at the time of the end," showing the result of the last war between them. It states that the land of Egypt shall not escape the king of the north in this last war, thus identifying Syria as being the country from which the Antichrist must come. If the king of the North was Russia, as many Bible students now teach how could Dan 11:44 be fulfilled? What countries are north of Russia that could fight against her, as required by this verse? I even had one minister argue that America is north of Russia. I had a little difficulty explaining to him that America was south of the North Pole, and not north of Russia, and Russia was also south of the North Pole. He eventually agreed. Geography was his weak point.


When Alexander the Great died, his empire was divided into four parts which can be seen by consulting history books. In Dan. 8:9 it states, "Out of one of them," that is, out of one of these four divisions of the Grecian Empire the "little horn" would come, and this is explained in verse 23 as being in the latter time of the existence of these four kingdoms a king of fierce countenance would rise. The four kingdoms of Dan. 8 will make four of the ten of Dan. 7, and the purpose of this chapter over Dan. 7 is to narrow the coming of the Antichrist geographicly from the ten kingdoms to four of the ten, so we can definately say that he will not come from any country outside of these four kingdoms.


Here's the good news, He will definately not come from America, or even rule America, or even be a world wide dictator as many teach and believe, although his wars in the middle east will cause disruption in world wide trade, oil etc. Scripture shows he will only reign over ten kingdoms that will yet be formed inside the Old Roman Empire territory (Dan. 7:23-24).


Only these ten kingdoms will give their power and kingdoms to him (Rev. 13:1; 17:12-17).


Certain countries WILL ESCAPE his rule (Dan. 11:40-44).


Certain countries will make war on him at the very time he is supposed to be ruling the whole world (Read Dan. 11:40-44). If he was ruling the whole world this could not happen. Because he will rule and reign only over ten countries inside the Old Roman Empire territory, and because America never was or ever will be inside that territory, and because certain countries escape the antichrist, we can Scripturally conclude and be at ease that he will not come from, or rule America, or even be a world wide dictator.


Hundreds of millions of people will never take his mark either. We have seen that many nations will not be under his rule, so naturally people in these countries, America included, will not have to take his mark and they will therefore not be killed. The Bible teaches that many peoples of "all nations," that are left after the reign of the Antichrist, people who will be alive in the Millennium and will go up yearly to worship God (Read Zech 14:16-21). This again further limits the kingdoms of the Antichrist to only a part of the world and limits his ability to kill everyone who does not take the mark, even in his own empire. According to Revelation 14:9-11, no one who has taken the mark will go into the Millennium, but will be sent to eternal Hell. That multitudes go into the Millennium proves they have not taken the mark of the beast and have not been killed. If the Antichrist ruled the entire world as many people believe, and he killed everyone who did not take his mark, and the Lord Jesus sends to Hell everyone who has taken the antichrists mark, then there would be not one person left to enter the Millennium? And this would be contrary to Zech. 14:16-21; Matt. 25:31-46; Isa. 2:1-4 and many Scriptures.


THE ANTICHRIST WHO IS A MAN,  will reign over only ten kingdoms that are yet to be formed inside the yet to be revived, Old Roman Empire. (Dan. 7:23-24). Only these ten kingdoms will give their power and kingdoms to him. (Rev.13:1; 17:12-17). Certain countries will escape his rule (Dan.11:40-44). Certain countries will make war on him at the very time he is supposed to be ruling the whole world (Dan. 11:40-44). Because he will reign only over ten countries inside the Roman Empire territory and because America is not inside that territory and never will be, and because certain countries will escape him we can scripturally conclude that he will never rule America or be a world-wide dictator. Therefore, multitudes of people of many nations will also never take the mark of the beast and they will never be killed by the Antichrist for not doing so.



The Bible speaks of many peoples of many nations that are left after the reign of the Antichrist, people who will be alive in the Millennium and will go up yearly to worship God (Zech. 14:16-21). This further limits the kingdom of the Antichrist to only part of the world and also limits his ability to kill everyone who does not take the mark even in his own empire. According to Rev. 14:9-11 no one who has taken the mark will go into the Millennium, but will be sent to eternal Hell.
 

That multitudes go into the Millennium proves they have not taken the mark of the beast and have not been killed, as taught by many Bible students. If the Antichrist were to kill every person who does not take his mark, and God sends to Hell everyone who does take the mark, then there would be not one person left to enter the Millennium. Also, The mark of the beast will not be 666. There are three brands men will have a choice of taking in the days of the Antichrist inside his kingdom. They are his name, his mark, AND THE NUMBER OF HIS NAME  (Rev. 13:16-18). The name and mark of this man is not given in scripture; so no one will know what they are until he comes and men get to know what his name and mark will be, and what he will chose to put on his followers. The only one of these three brands that is given is the number of his name, and that is stated as being 666 in Rev. 13:18. So 666 is not the name or the mark of the beast. It is the number of the beast.

 

The Antichrist will be a future mortal man, nothing more. That he will be a mortal man is clear from (Rev. 13:18). That he will be a mortal man is also clear from the fact that he will be "SLAIN" by Christ at His second advent (Dan. 7:11; Isa. 11:4; 2 Thess. 2:7-8).

If Christ is going to slay him at the second advent, then he must be a mortal man at that time. This proves that he will not be a resurrected immortal man from the dead, or indwelt by Satan. 

[Shilohsfoal]

9 hours ago, HAZARD said:

 

There will be only one Antichrist.  Antichrist may be alive today, either a baby, young boy, or older as someone being a member of a political party, Scripture does say, "a king of fierce counternance would rise," so we can expect him to be a king of a particular country. And the times seem right in my humble opinion.

The book of Daniel makes it clear that the Antichrist will come from the ten kingdoms of the Old Roman Empire, as in Dan. 7:7-8, 23-24, and from the four divisions of the Grecian Empire, which are four of the ten, as in Dan. 8:7-9, 20-23, but it also makes it clear that he will come from the Syrian division of the four divisions of Greece, as taught in Dan. 11. The king of the north of this chapter is Syria, and the king of the south is Egypt. Wars between these two divisions of Greece are pictures in Dan. 11:5-34. Verses 35-45 portray war between these same two kingdoms "at the time of the end," showing the result of the last war between them. It states that the land of Egypt shall not escape the king of the north in this last war, thus identifying Syria as being the country from which the Antichrist must come. If the king of the North was Russia, as many Bible students now teach how could Dan 11:44 be fulfilled? What countries are north of Russia that could fight against her, as required by this verse? I even had one minister argue that America is north of Russia. I had a little difficulty explaining to him that America was south of the North Pole, and not north of Russia, and Russia was also south of the North Pole. He eventually agreed. Geography was his weak point.


When Alexander the Great died, his empire was divided into four parts which can be seen by consulting history books. In Dan. 8:9 it states, "Out of one of them," that is, out of one of these four divisions of the Grecian Empire the "little horn" would come, and this is explained in verse 23 as being in the latter time of the existence of these four kingdoms a king of fierce countenance would rise. The four kingdoms of Dan. 8 will make four of the ten of Dan. 7, and the purpose of this chapter over Dan. 7 is to narrow the coming of the Antichrist geographicly from the ten kingdoms to four of the ten, so we can definately say that he will not come from any country outside of these four kingdoms.


Here's the good news, He will definately not come from America, or even rule America, or even be a world wide dictator as many teach and believe, although his wars in the middle east will cause disruption in world wide trade, oil etc. Scripture shows he will only reign over ten kingdoms that will yet be formed inside the Old Roman Empire territory (Dan. 7:23-24).


Only these ten kingdoms will give their power and kingdoms to him (Rev. 13:1; 17:12-17).


Certain countries WILL ESCAPE his rule (Dan. 11:40-44).


Certain countries will make war on him at the very time he is supposed to be ruling the whole world (Read Dan. 11:40-44). If he was ruling the whole world this could not happen. Because he will rule and reign only over ten countries inside the Old Roman Empire territory, and because America never was or ever will be inside that territory, and because certain countries escape the antichrist, we can Scripturally conclude and be at ease that he will not come from, or rule America, or even be a world wide dictator.


Hundreds of millions of people will never take his mark either. We have seen that many nations will not be under his rule, so naturally people in these countries, America included, will not have to take his mark and they will therefore not be killed. The Bible teaches that many peoples of "all nations," that are left after the reign of the Antichrist, people who will be alive in the Millennium and will go up yearly to worship God (Read Zech 14:16-21). This again further limits the kingdoms of the Antichrist to only a part of the world and limits his ability to kill everyone who does not take the mark, even in his own empire. According to Revelation 14:9-11, no one who has taken the mark will go into the Millennium, but will be sent to eternal Hell. That multitudes go into the Millennium proves they have not taken the mark of the beast and have not been killed. If the Antichrist ruled the entire world as many people believe, and he killed everyone who did not take his mark, and the Lord Jesus sends to Hell everyone who has taken the antichrists mark, then there would be not one person left to enter the Millennium? And this would be contrary to Zech. 14:16-21; Matt. 25:31-46; Isa. 2:1-4 and many Scriptures.


THE ANTICHRIST WHO IS A MAN,  will reign over only ten kingdoms that are yet to be formed inside the yet to be revived, Old Roman Empire. (Dan. 7:23-24). Only these ten kingdoms will give their power and kingdoms to him. (Rev.13:1; 17:12-17). Certain countries will escape his rule (Dan.11:40-44). Certain countries will make war on him at the very time he is supposed to be ruling the whole world (Dan. 11:40-44). Because he will reign only over ten countries inside the Roman Empire territory and because America is not inside that territory and never will be, and because certain countries will escape him we can scripturally conclude that he will never rule America or be a world-wide dictator. Therefore, multitudes of people of many nations will also never take the mark of the beast and they will never be killed by the Antichrist for not doing so.



The Bible speaks of many peoples of many nations that are left after the reign of the Antichrist, people who will be alive in the Millennium and will go up yearly to worship God (Zech. 14:16-21). This further limits the kingdom of the Antichrist to only part of the world and also limits his ability to kill everyone who does not take the mark even in his own empire. According to Rev. 14:9-11 no one who has taken the mark will go into the Millennium, but will be sent to eternal Hell.
 

That multitudes go into the Millennium proves they have not taken the mark of the beast and have not been killed, as taught by many Bible students. If the Antichrist were to kill every person who does not take his mark, and God sends to Hell everyone who does take the mark, then there would be not one person left to enter the Millennium. Also, The mark of the beast will not be 666. There are three brands men will have a choice of taking in the days of the Antichrist inside his kingdom. They are his name, his mark, AND THE NUMBER OF HIS NAME  (Rev. 13:16-18). The name and mark of this man is not given in scripture; so no one will know what they are until he comes and men get to know what his name and mark will be, and what he will chose to put on his followers. The only one of these three brands that is given is the number of his name, and that is stated as being 666 in Rev. 13:18. So 666 is not the name or the mark of the beast. It is the number of the beast.

 

The Antichrist will be a future mortal man, nothing more. That he will be a mortal man is clear from (Rev. 13:18). That he will be a mortal man is also clear from the fact that he will be "SLAIN" by Christ at His second advent (Dan. 7:11; Isa. 11:4; 2 Thess. 2:7-8).

If Christ is going to slay him at the second advent, then he must be a mortal man at that time. This proves that he will not be a resurrected immortal man from the dead, or indwelt by Satan. 

I didn't bother reading all that because you failed from the very beginning. 

The word antichrist is never mentioned in Daniel. And as it is now there are millions upon millions of Antichrists. 

There were many 2000 years ago. 

Edited October 9, 2022 by Shilohsfoal

[Jedi4Yahweh]

On 10/8/2022 at 11:58 PM, HAZARD said:

The book of Daniel makes it clear that the Antichrist will come from the ten kingdoms of the Old Roman Empire, as in Dan. 7:7-8, 23-24, and from the four divisions of the Grecian Empire, which are four of the ten, as in Dan. 8:7-9, 20-23, but it also makes it clear that he will come from the Syrian division of the four divisions of Greece, as taught in Dan. 11. The king of the north of this chapter is Syria, and the king of the south is Egypt. Wars between these two divisions of Greece are pictures in Dan. 11:5-34. Verses 35-45 portray war between these same two kingdoms

This has already happened under Antiochus IV Epiphanes (Northern Kingdom) that was at war Egypt (Southern Kingdom) during the Grecian Empire and conquered and defiled the Temple in Jerusalem with a statue of Zeus and Pig offerings. During the Roman Empire, Titus was the Syrian that destroyed Judea/Jerusalem and the Temple in 70 AD. 

Edited October 10, 2022 by Jedi4Yahweh