Dave-regenerated Posted October 18, 2022 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 302 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 104 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/05/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted October 18, 2022 3 hours ago, NCAP said: And many Christians believe that Jesus is the Father, so he ascended to himself? Does that make any sense at all? What and who are these "many" Christians that believe Jesus is the Father? I think you may be referring to the Oneness Pentecostal cult. The doctrine of the trinity does not confuse the Son with the Father as they do, and any other noted heretical sect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted October 18, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 108 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,830 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 4,820 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted October 18, 2022 13 minutes ago, Dave-regenerated said: What and who are these "many" Christians that believe Jesus is the Father? I think you may be referring to the Oneness Pentecostal cult. The doctrine of the trinity does not confuse the Son with the Father as they do, and any other noted heretical sect. I've wondered myself who in the world he is talking about. It's my understanding in having known a few Oneness Pentecostals that not even they believe that Jesus IS the Father. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCAP Posted October 18, 2022 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 265 Content Per Day: 0.43 Reputation: 79 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/19/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted October 18, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dave-regenerated said: What and who are these "many" Christians that believe Jesus is the Father? I think you may be referring to the Oneness Pentecostal cult. The doctrine of the trinity does not confuse the Son with the Father as they do, and any other noted heretical sect. The ones I've talked to online (and I don't know what denomination) base it on the following scripture. Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? (John 14:9 ESV) Edited October 18, 2022 by NCAP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-regenerated Posted October 18, 2022 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 302 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 104 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/05/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted October 18, 2022 22 minutes ago, NCAP said: The ones I've talked to online (and I don't what denomination) base it on the following scripture. Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? (John 14:9 ESV) Admittedly, it is rather difficult to understand the Trinity. We all struggle with that. But I would point out that while it is difficult, it is not impossible. The point is simply that Jesus was God in the sense that a normal human being could not take on the sins of the world like he did. There would have to be some kind of omnipresent omniscience to Jesus himself in order for him to do what he did when he died on the cross to atone for the sins of humanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve morrow Posted October 19, 2022 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,067 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 377 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/15/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/07/1955 Share Posted October 19, 2022 WHERE IS THE UNITY OF THE SPIRIT JOHN 6:63 it is the spirit that quickeneth --the flesh profiteth nothing --- the words that --I SPEAK-- unto you they are spirit and they are life-- PROVERBS 15:4 a wholesome tongue is a tree of life --but perverseness therein is a breach in the spirit-- ROMANS 15:5 now THE GOD of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to CHRIST JESUS ROMANS 15:6 that you may with one mind and one mouth glorify GOD even THE FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST 1 CORINTHIANS 1:2 --UNTO THE CHURCH OF GOD-- which is at corinth to them that are sanctified in CHRIST JESUS called to be saints with all that in everyplace call upon the name OF JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD both theirs and ours 1 CORINTHIANS 11:1 be you followers of me even as I also am of CHRIST ACTS 20:28 take heed therefore unto yourselves and to all the flock over the which the holy spirit hath made you overseers to feed --THE CHURCH OF GOD-- which HE hath purchased with HIS own blood-- JOHN 6:54 whosoever eateth MY flesh and drinketh MY blood hath eternal life and I will raise him up the last day --6:55--for MY flesh is meat indeed and MY blood is drink indeed ACTS 3:22 for moses truly said unto the fathers a prophet shall THE LORD YOUR GOD raise up unto you of your brethren like unto me HIM shall you hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you --3:23-- and it shall come to pass that every soul which will not --hear that prophet shall be destroyed from among the people --3:24-- yea and all the prophets from samuel and those that follow after --as many as have spoken have likewise foretold of these days-- 1 TIMOTHY 2:5 for there is one GOD and --ONE-- mediator between GOD and men the man JESUS CHRIST 2 TIMOTHY 2:7 consider what I say --and THE LORD give thee understanding in all things-- JOHN 10:16 and other sheep I have which are not of this fold them also I must bring and they shall hear MY voice --and there shall be one fold --- AND ONE SHEPHERD-- MATTHEW 23:10 neither be you called masters --for --one-- is your master even CHRIST ACTS 5:29 THEN PETER AND THE OTHER APOSTLES ANSWERED AND SAID WE OUGHT TO OBEY GOD RATHER THAN MEN EPHESIANS 4:13 till we all come --IN THE UNITY-- of the faith --- and of the knowledge -- of the SON OF GOD -- unto a perfect man unto the measure of the stature of the --FULNESS OF CHRIST-- 2 TIMOTHY 2:25 in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves --if GOD peradventure will give them repentance --- TO THE ACKNOWLEDGING OF THE TRUTH-- JOHN 14:6 JESUS saith unto him --I AM-- the way -- the truth -- and the life -- NO MAN COMETH UNTO THE FATHER BUT BY ME ACTS 10:34 then peter opened his mouth and said --of a truth I perceive that GOD is no respecter of persons PROVERBS 30:6 ADD THOU NOT UNTO HIS WORDS LEST HE REPROOVE THEE AND THOU BE FOUND A LIAR QUITE EVIDENT THAT CATHOLICS WILL HAVE A LOT OF COMPANY IN THEIR DISOBEDIENT DESTINATION WITHOUT REPENTING AND TURNING TO THE LORD JESUS CHRIST LOVING THE LORD JESUS CHRIST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
com7fy8 Posted October 19, 2022 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 41 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 873 Content Per Day: 0.45 Reputation: 520 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/05/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted October 19, 2022 5 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said: we can see him together with God and in the Bosom of the Father...the word...God gave him the gift to create things by his word, by speaking... Jesus is the Word of God. A word in your mind is you, though not all of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted October 19, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,932 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,785 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted October 19, 2022 1 hour ago, com7fy8 said: Jesus is the Word of God. A word in your mind is you, though not all of you. I did not like what you wrote and I do not want you to explain it...I am sure we can talk about something else... Things like: what is one of the worse things someone can say to a Catholic.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 I learned more about Roman Catholicism from reading Lorraine Boettner's book Roman Catholicism than I did from 12 years of parochial school teaching. PS: Much of this thread is grossly out of step with the topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted October 19, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,932 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,785 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted October 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said: I learned more about Roman Catholicism from reading Lorraine Boettner's book Roman Catholicism than I did from 12 years of parochial school teaching. PS: Much of this thread is grossly out of step with the topic. Your criticism is note, but how does it help? What are going to say to a Catholic who is the subject of evangelism about what happened to Jesus after he died? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Your closest friendnt said: Your criticism is note, but how does it help? I was hoping our collective focus was sharper. 1 minute ago, Your closest friendnt said: What are going to say to a Catholic who is the subject of evangelism about what happened to Jesus after he died? Differentiate between Apostolic teachings from the Bible and Papal Authority by the Pope. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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