FreeGrace Posted June 28, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,448 Content Per Day: 8.16 Reputation: 611 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/07/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted June 28, 2023 2 hours ago, teddyv said: My guess is ruin-reconstruction. No guesses needed. v.2 says "but the earth became an uninhabitable wasteland". Therefore, the earth needed a restoration before man's use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeyondET Posted June 28, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,869 Content Per Day: 1.22 Reputation: 816 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/29/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/1968 Share Posted June 28, 2023 12 minutes ago, FreeGrace said: I don't know what you mean by accusing me that I "haven't shown what I'm into". I'm into the truth. And the truth is that hayah is RARELY translated as "was" but most commonly translated as "became/become". That's the truth. When say stuff like, "you haven't met her" your mind is into something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NConly Posted June 28, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,335 Content Per Day: 2.78 Reputation: 614 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/11/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted June 28, 2023 18 minutes ago, FreeGrace said: And the truth is that hayah is RARELY translated as "was" but most commonly translated as "became/become". That's the truth. It could be we are looking at one of those rare times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted June 29, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,068 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 970 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted June 29, 2023 5 hours ago, FreeGrace said: Why can't of won't you even try to explain how your evolutionary theory is related to anything in Genesis 1. How does Genesis concern itself with a change in allele frequencies? You should realize that there are many things that exist that are not in Genesis. Or do you reject Genesis outright? It's not just Genesis that you don't get. I've asked you twice now to explain the difference between adaptation and biological evolution. So far, you've declined to do so. One more time, just so we know: * What is the scientific definition of biological evolution? * What is the scientific definition of adaptation? * What is the difference between adaptation and evolution? If you're unable to answer this, maybe that's a clue for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeGrace Posted June 29, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,448 Content Per Day: 8.16 Reputation: 611 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/07/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted June 29, 2023 1 hour ago, BeyondET said: When say stuff like, "you haven't met her" your mind is into something. Apparently you miss humor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeyondET Posted June 29, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,869 Content Per Day: 1.22 Reputation: 816 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/29/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/1968 Share Posted June 29, 2023 1 minute ago, FreeGrace said: Apparently you miss humor. The sarcasm wasn't hard to miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddyv Posted June 29, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 4,265 Content Per Day: 2.92 Reputation: 2,302 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/03/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted June 29, 2023 1 hour ago, FreeGrace said: No guesses needed. v.2 says "but the earth became an uninhabitable wasteland". Therefore, the earth needed a restoration before man's use. There are similarities to Gap Theory but I did not think that was what you are advancing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted June 29, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,068 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 970 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted June 29, 2023 7 hours ago, George said: If it were so in Genesis 1:1 ... in that case it's simply the earth. The context is the key. "Earth" has a number of meanings, pretty much like "eretz." But "tebel" as far as I can see, means "the world or the known world." We see this in the NT, also: 2 Peter 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: The word used was "kosmos", meaning "the world" in the sense of "the known world", as in Luke 2:1 And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be taxed. Luke also uses "kosmos" (world) to mean the Roman Empire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeGrace Posted June 29, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,448 Content Per Day: 8.16 Reputation: 611 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/07/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted June 29, 2023 1 hour ago, NConly said: FreeGrace said: And the truth is that hayah is RARELY translated as "was" but most commonly translated as "became/become". That's the truth. It could be we are looking at one of those rare times. As Gen 1:2 stands, the translation contradicts Isa 45:18 directly. Either God DID or DID NOT create the earth TOHU (mistranslated in Gen 1:2). Isa 45:18 - For thus says the LORD, who created the heavens (He is the God who formedthe earth and made it, He established it and did not create it a waste place (TOHU), but formed it to be inhabited ), "I am the LORD, and there is none else. NASB Plain as day: God "did not creat it a waste place". The Hebrew word "TOHU" is never translated "formless" except in Gen 1:2. It is translated as "waste", "wasteland" "waste place" and "chaos" elsewhere. Even the translation "formless" or "without form" is bogus, since EVERY object has form. There is no such thing as a formless object. That is impossible. And there is nothing in Genesis 1 that addresses formlessness. So, no, this is not one of those rare times. You can see for yourself at biblehub.com the verses where "hayah" is translated as "was". Of the 111 verses that have the exact same form of the verb, only 4% were translated as "was", whereas 59% were translated as "became/become". One more thing. The Septuagint is the OT translated into Koine Greek. While the traditional translation of v.2 begins with the conjunction of continuation (and), the LXX begins v.2 with the conjunction of contrast (but). All put together, the traditional translation contradicts Isa 45:18 and cannot be correct. But using the LXX and the most common translations of the verb 'hayah' and noun 'tohu', there is no contradiction with any verse in the Bible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeGrace Posted June 29, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,448 Content Per Day: 8.16 Reputation: 611 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/07/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted June 29, 2023 9 minutes ago, BeyondET said: The sarcasm wasn't hard to miss. Then why did you post: "When say stuff like, "you haven't met her" your mind is into something." If you didn't miss the humor, why insinuate something foul? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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