FreeGrace Posted July 3, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,440 Content Per Day: 8.21 Reputation: 610 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/07/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted July 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, BeyondET said: It proves you don't want to believe the Bible says there was one waters and earth became the lower waters after the separation. I actually don't care about any of this. v.2 begins the restoration of the planet, and is not part of original creation. The meaning of the Hebrew words can be proven by simply seeing how they are translated everywhere else in the OT. But one must have an open mind to understand. 4 minutes ago, BeyondET said: A earth with no formed dryland and seas. You can't have either until it is formed. Nonsense. I would say you don't understand what "form" means. Every object HAS form. Whether uniform, regular, or irregular. If you an see something, it HAS form. No way around it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeGrace Posted July 3, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,440 Content Per Day: 8.21 Reputation: 610 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/07/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted July 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, BeyondET said: FreeGrace said: I simply can't figure out how this response provides ANY extinctions on earth. The great flood is certainly one. Now, explain with Scripture the other one that you mentioned. Who is the last generation of Cains descendants mentioned. And how many of Seth's descendants carry on. How does any of this explain another extinction? It doesn't. Keep trying, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeyondET Posted July 3, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,869 Content Per Day: 1.22 Reputation: 816 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/29/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/1968 Share Posted July 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, FreeGrace said: Please read all the evidence that I have provided. The exact same form of the verb 'hayah' is translated throughout the OT as "became/become" in 59% of the verses where they occur. And it is translated as "was" in only 4% of the verses. So please PROVE that the translators were correct in v.2 when they chose one of the LEAST common translations of that verb form. Second, the word "tohu" cannot ever mean "formless" since ALL objects that are visible HAVE form. It is impossible for a a visible object to not have form. Further, Jer 4:23 contains the same 2 words that are in v.2 "tohu wabohu", and is a description of the desolation of the land of Israel due to an invading army. The results of a totally destroying army is not the land becoming "formless" or "without form" by any means, but rather, an UNINHABITABLE WASTELAND. Dryland is a form so are seas. In the beginning earth had neither thus formless and void of dryland or seas. You yourself mentioned a most common use and a less a common use, now it can never be used, yea right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeyondET Posted July 3, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,869 Content Per Day: 1.22 Reputation: 816 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/29/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/1968 Share Posted July 3, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, FreeGrace said: Common sense. A wasteland of a planet wouldn't have life, plants, or trees. We don't know. God didn't tell us. So what? How do you know? No one knows. Please explain what you mean. It was clearly restored for man to inhabit. Remember, it became an UNINHABITABLE wasteland. Doesn't sound like something man would be able to exist on. Was earth habitable before the wasteland? To become unhabitable is to say it was habitable before. Edited July 3, 2023 by BeyondET Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeyondET Posted July 3, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,869 Content Per Day: 1.22 Reputation: 816 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/29/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/1968 Share Posted July 3, 2023 9 minutes ago, FreeGrace said: How does any of this explain another extinction? It doesn't. Keep trying, please. Show me in scripture where cains descendants died in the flood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiveWire Posted July 3, 2023 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 392 Content Per Day: 1.00 Reputation: 139 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/06/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted July 3, 2023 (edited) God made the Universe in its max position from word go. Quantum Physics, Laws of Physics, Quantum Mechanics, even measuring by light years from millions to billions of years is just how big God created the Universe. The Universe is not 13 Billion years old, God made it so big and vast it can literally be measured by as if it were that old. Science's biggest issue, they work center out and created a microwave spectrum. Had they worked outward to Center, they would see factually this is a very YOUNG Universe. Edited July 3, 2023 by LiveWire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeyondET Posted July 3, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,869 Content Per Day: 1.22 Reputation: 816 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/29/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/1968 Share Posted July 3, 2023 (edited) 47 minutes ago, FreeGrace said: I actually don't care about any of this. v.2 begins the restoration of the planet, and is not part of original creation. The meaning of the Hebrew words can be proven by simply seeing how they are translated everywhere else in the OT. But one must have an open mind to understand. Nonsense. I would say you don't understand what "form" means. Every object HAS form. Whether uniform, regular, or irregular. If you an see something, it HAS form. No way around it. How many creations are there, you say original like the later wasn't 🤔 That's the nonsense you think form remains the same and never becomes formless in its transformation from one form to another. The bible only states what form earth was in before it took the form of dryland and seas earth. Im prettt sure you can't tell me what form earth would look like without dryland and seas Edited July 4, 2023 by BeyondET Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeyondET Posted July 3, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,869 Content Per Day: 1.22 Reputation: 816 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/29/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/1968 Share Posted July 3, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, LiveWire said: God made the Universe in its max position from word go. Quantum Physics, Laws of Physics, Quantum Mechanics, even measuring by light years from millions to billions of years is just how big God created the Universe. The Universe is not 13 Billion years old, God made it so big and vast it can literally be measured by as if it were that old. Science's biggest issue, they work center out and created a microwave spectrum. Had they worked outward to Center, they would see factually this is a very YOUNG Universe. Science's issue is, there is no center or edge to the universe. Edited July 3, 2023 by BeyondET Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiveWire Posted July 4, 2023 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 392 Content Per Day: 1.00 Reputation: 139 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/06/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted July 4, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, BeyondET said: Science's issue is, there is no center or edge to the universe. If this is true, then creating a microwave spectrum is an outright lie. It's based off Center point of Big Bang/aka Center of Universe and then spreads outward. Glad, you proven Science is lying. Edited July 4, 2023 by LiveWire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddyv Posted July 4, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 4,265 Content Per Day: 2.93 Reputation: 2,302 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/03/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted July 4, 2023 3 hours ago, LiveWire said: God made the Universe in its max position from word go. Quantum Physics, Laws of Physics, Quantum Mechanics, even measuring by light years from millions to billions of years is just how big God created the Universe. The Universe is not 13 Billion years old, God made it so big and vast it can literally be measured by as if it were that old. Science's biggest issue, they work center out and created a microwave spectrum. Had they worked outward to Center, they would see factually this is a very YOUNG Universe. We created a microwave spectrum? What does that even mean? Do you mean electromagnetic spectrum? Or are you referring to the cosmic microwave background radiation? We did not create that. We observed it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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