Evolution's Achilles Heel ~ ~ Book, 9 Ph.D Scientists and Doctors ~ ~ Discussion

[The Barbarian]

On 3/8/2023 at 3:23 PM, believeinHim said:

The Barbarian, If  you do nnot want your posts reported by me, Thus it will get my posts deleted, Please do not site sources such as Reddit when replying to a disabled lady especially on a Christian website ! 

I had no idea that Reddit is a problem for this site.   It's just that this was a pretty good, non-technical explanation of why "Haldane's Dilemma" is not a problem for evolutionary change in nature.

I'll avoid that site as a link from now on.   Here's Haldane on the issue:

Unless selection is very intense the number of deaths needed to secure the substitution by natural selection, of one gene for another at a locus, is independent of the intensity of selection. It is often about 30 times the number of organisms in a generation. It is suggested that in horoletic evolution, the mean time taken for each gene substitution is about 300 generations. This accords with the observed slowness of evolution.

https://www.blackwellpublishing.com/ridley/classictexts/haldane2.pdf

Edited March 12, 2023 by The Barbarian

[The Barbarian]

One consideration is the size of the population.   In small populations, fixation is inevitable just from random variation.   Not surprisingly, most speciation is allopatric, occuring in small, isolated populations.

But Kimura's discovery concerning the lack of "cost" in neutral mutations is also a reason that Haldane was right in his comment that his figures would probably prove to be incorrect.

 

[The Barbarian]

On 3/8/2023 at 3:27 PM, believeinHim said:

Haldane calculated that no more than 1,667 beneficial substitutions could have occurred in the supposed 10 million years since the last common ancestor of apes and humans.

That up above is from a web search, Though not from the book. I have not made any further progress since my last post about it on February 19th, 2023. 

That would be a lot more than we actually have.   Humans and chimps are about 96% genetically similar. 

Scientists have sequenced the genome of the chimpanzee and found that humans are 96 percent similar to the great ape species.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/chimps-humans-96-percent-the-same-gene-study-finds

Humans have about 20,500 genes.   And you see that both humans and chimps would have evolved away from a common ancestor, which means about 3,334 beneficial mutations between the two of them.   But the difference between them is less than 1000 genes.   20,500 x .04 = 820.

[kwikphilly]

12 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

I had no idea that Reddit is a problem for this site.   It's just that this was a pretty good, non-technical explanation of why "Haldane's Dilemma" is not a problem for evolutionary change in nature.

I'll avoid that site as a link from now on.   Here's Haldane on the issue:

Unless selection is very intense the number of deaths needed to secure the substitution by natural selection, of one gene for another at a locus, is independent of the intensity of selection. It is often about 30 times the number of organisms in a generation. It is suggested that in horoletic evolution, the mean time taken for each gene substitution is about 300 generations. This accords with the observed slowness of evolution.

https://www.blackwellpublishing.com/ridley/classictexts/haldane2.pdf

Not sure about what Reddit is all about & don't really care because I just don't sign on to anything that needs sign in to open the app- I clicked to open in Firefox but again it required sign in and I just pass on those types for security,safe browsing

[The Barbarian]

2 hours ago, kwikphilly said:

Not sure about what Reddit is all about & don't really care because I just don't sign on to anything that needs sign in to open the app- I clicked to open in Firefox but again it required sign in and I just pass on those types for security,safe browsing

Yeah, I didn't have any sign-in required to read that link.   But it's O.K.; there are other sites with similar explanations.   I liked the one on Reddit, because it avoided jargon.

 

[Sparks]

On 1/13/2023 at 9:43 AM, believeinHim said:

Anyone read Evolution's Achilles Heels ~ ~ ? It's a book by 9phD Scientists and Doctors ~ ~ Discussion about the book and what's in it, here. I am in the Natural Selection part of it on page 42. Something about guppies evolving in to guppies. Or finches, Still being finches.

They made a documentary out of this book, and now I think they are up to something like 15 PhDs. The documentary was posted here briefly, but then the video link died.  In fact, I might have been the who posted it here until the link died. 

[believeinHim]

3 hours ago, kwikphilly said:

Not sure about what Reddit is all about & don't really care because I just don't sign on to anything that needs sign in to open the app- I clicked to open in Firefox but again it required sign in and I just pass on those types for security,safe browsing

They are a social media networking website that does not even hide their pornography content. Unlike facebook, In which they falsely claim they remove it, There are affiliated websites that you can link to while signed in to reddit. One in particular does not even hide that it is a paid pornographic website. They are just a paid pornographic website. Reddit also does not hide their adult content. There is a filter that you can put on your own page to upload illicit content. Similar to 4chan, Reddit is a pornographic social media networking website, In where they do not even hide that they are one. They are also a very far leaning liberal website, as well, AS you can imagine...............,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, 

Edited March 12, 2023 by believeinHim

[believeinHim]

49 minutes ago, Sparks said:

They made a documentary out of this book, and now I think they are up to something like 15 PhDs. The documentary was posted here briefly, but then the video link died.  In fact, I might have been the who posted it here until the link died. 

As with most things in here, The majority of the traffic is in Derailing Thread, or The Bring It Thread, Still, Not even in Ladies Lounge...............,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, 

[kwikphilly]

22 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

Yeah, I didn't have any sign-in required to read that link.   But it's O.K.; there are other sites with similar explanations.   I liked the one on Reddit, because it avoided jargon.

 

I wonder why that is-Im wondering if it has something to do with my being on the phone,it always wants sign in and to download apps- I don't think that happens much on my desk top.    Do you think that might be why?You definitely know more about that stuff than I do,I'd appreciate your input( I know it's off Topic but I'd really like to know,lol)👍❤️

[kwikphilly]

21 hours ago, believeinHim said:

They are a social media networking website that does not even hide their pornography content. Unlike facebook, In which they falsely claim they remove it, There are affiliated websites that you can link to while signed in to reddit. One in particular does not even hide that it is a paid pornographic website. They are just a paid pornographic website. Reddit also does not hide their adult content. There is a filter that you can put on your own page to upload illicit content. Similar to 4chan, Reddit is a pornographic social media networking website, In where they do not even hide that they are one. They are also a very far leaning liberal website, as well, AS you can imagine...............,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, 

Wasn't Reddit a magazine? You might not be old enough to remember but I remember that from when I was young,I believe my Mom used to subscribe to it ions ago---- is it the same Reddit I'm remembering,I thought is was like Woman's Day or maybe Readers Digest type thing? Or just the same name??